June 2nd, IDPA, Red Brush Rifle Range

[looney2ns]

I wasn't talking about you, but HAHA! Shows how much I know about bottom feeders! I didn't even know the Taurus/Beretta had an external safety

Learned something new today: check

My M&P22 trainer has an external safety and I hate it (plus all the other ridiculous mag disconnect stuff. I've been tempted to file it down as I can't find a way to completely take it off. Thankfully my M&P9 has none such features.

I'll go back to my wheelgun world now

ETA: Wait- just realized you were talking about your 1911. I know you have ran it but I can't remember seeing you shoot it. Surely I'm not the only one that has seen that safety-on business go down at the buzzer.

Yep I've seen it. More than once this past meet.

 

[looney2ns]

Your problem that day was your malfunctions during a string of fire. You usually take your finger off the trigger but leave your finger 'crooked' so it is hard to tell unless you are watching really closely.

Just remember to straighten it out like an arrow because you never know when you might take a spill and bash up your knee

Ah, I was thinking it was during a mag change. Good to know that my practice is working partially.

 

[Mudcat]

Those Glock bastardized actions are 'safe-action' and fall into whatever catagory you want them to be in.

Yep talk about versatile the Glock and M&P are it.

 

[Grelber]

There ain't an RB steels thread and I'm safe from thread jack guilt as you folks ain't talking about nothing, so I figured I'd ask the question here.

On the last run of the last stage of the steels match yesterday the voice in my head said 'try to be smooth this time'. So I did and got my best time of that stage, but it felt slowest.

Is smooth faster because you are basically slowing your muscles down to work at the same pace as your vision - recognition?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Hmmm.

So I've got a SigP229, it has a de-cocker () but no external 'safety'.
Normal carry would be hammer down.

It would give me a competitive advantage to leave the hammer back after chambering a round so that my first round fired would be with a single action 1911 ish trigger pull. This wouldn't matter to TJ but it is significant for mere mortals.

To my reckoning starting with hammer back on this gun would violate the spirit of "mechanical condition of readiness appropriate to their design" as I don't think the gun was designed to be drawn or carried hammer back. But perhaps I'm full of it.

Good question and I see where you're coming from, but I take it a whole different way. If a gun has a external hammer, it is to be carried cocked unless the design will not allow it. A lot of people that carry such guns don't carry them cocked, but that doesn't mean they were designed to be carried decocked.

Doesn't really matter either way. Rulewise if you're in SSP it has to be hammer down. If you're in ESP you can leave the hammer down or cocked, locked and ready to ROCK! Your choice, I know the one I would make

It the hammer is cocked, there MUST be a manual safety. If it has a hammer and a safety and is also DA, it is YOUR choice how to compete with it within the rules of your division.

There ain't an RB steels thread and I'm safe from thread jack guilt as you folks ain't talking about nothing, so I figured I'd ask the question here.

On the last run of the last stage of the steels match yesterday the voice in my head said 'try to be smooth this time'. So I did and got my best time of that stage, but it felt slowest.

Is smooth faster because you are basically slowing your muscles down to work at the same pace as your vision - recognition?

"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast" is a car racing term meaning that you can make it around a track or down a dragstrip faster by not upsetting the balance of the car through jerky movement.

When applied here I believe i to mean that you learn the correct way of doing it while you go slow, your movements will be fluid and you will not have to make unnecessary and wasted motion and eventually will speed up by repeating it over and over.

 

[sbcman]

There ain't an RB steels thread and I'm safe from thread jack guilt as you folks ain't talking about nothing, so I figured I'd ask the question here.

On the last run of the last stage of the steels match yesterday the voice in my head said 'try to be smooth this time'. So I did and got my best time of that stage, but it felt slowest.

Is smooth faster because you are basically slowing your muscles down to work at the same pace as your vision - recognition?

I don't know about the muscles/vision deal, but I think I can tell you what happened. Most likely you relaxed and shot that stage with your sub-conscious doing the driving. It simply "felt" slow because your active mind wasn't doing the work. It's odd, but when we are more mentally active, it seems faster, but its not, and stages are usually shot dirty. It's best to be mentally active before the stage, but at the line just let all of that mental prep take over. Hopefully everything else comes together as well such sight picture, trigger, reloads, etc. My guess would be that if you tried to remember anything about that stage, you can't. This is good, because it shows that you executed your plan exactly as you wanted to do.

The test now is if you can repeat it.

 

[sbcman]

"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast" is a car racing term meaning that you can make it around a track or down a dragstrip faster by not upsetting the balance of the car through jerky movement.

Interesting. I did not know racing was the source of that phrase.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Interesting. I did not know racing was the source of that phrase.

It might predate automobile racing but I have not found any evidence of it.

 

[Grelber]

It might predate automobile racing but I have not found any evidence of it.

Bodily functions?

 

[DustyDawg48]

Going smoothly is the key...some people are fast shooters and some people are accurate shooters. If a fast shooter tries to slow down they will just miss slowly, they may not actually see an increase in accuracy. At some point you do have to push yourself to go faster and if you have a breakdown you go back and just check the fundamentals of grip, sight alignment and sight picture. Coupling those with a proper press to the rear of the trigger and you have the building blocks of being a very competent shooter.

I think the idea is to just concentrate on getting the fundamentals down properly by ignoring the notion of going fast for going fast's sake and there is inherent speed in that. Once you get it right, the grip, sights, trigger, then you move to push yourself to go faster.

 

[scowens]

All this Jedi talk.....

Just shoot, reload, repeat.

 

[sbcman]

All this Jedi talk.....

Just shoot, reload, repeat.

 

[Grelber]

It's odd, but when we are more mentally active, it seems faster, but its not, and stages are usually shot dirty.

All this Jedi talk.....

Just shoot, reload, repeat.

Hmm, mentally inactive does explain some things.

For what it is worth, the gun weirdness curse was still in play Sunday. Out of about 11 shooters we had;
Glock that didn't want to fire first round
XDM that didn't want to manually clear last round
Another STI went down
More than normal problems with 22 jams.

Might be time to sacrifice a chicken or something.

 

[sbcman]

Hmm, mentally inactive does explain some things.

For what it is worth, the gun weirdness curse was still in play Sunday. Out of about 11 shooters we had;
Glock that didn't want to fire first round
XDM that didn't want to manually clear last round
Another STI went down
More than normal problems with 22 jams.

Might be time to sacrifice a chicken or something.

Sounds like an exorcism could be in order. Or, folks could just [STRIKE]switch[/STRIKE] convert to Smiths- I see they did not make the fail list

 

[DustyDawg48]

Sounds like an exorcism could be in order. Or, folks could just [STRIKE]switch[/STRIKE] convert to Smiths- I see they did not make the fail list

The only Smith issue was with the shooter and not the gun

 

[scowens]

The only Smith issue was with the shooter and not the gun

Yes the gun handled the shooter very well

 

[DustyDawg48]

Yes the gun handled the shooter very well

Next up is to see how the maker handles the gun that handled the shooter! LOL should arrive at The Father Land in Mass, so I should know its fate or cost before the weekend, knock on wood!

 

[Grelber]

Next up is to see how the maker handles the gun that handled the shooter! LOL should arrive at The Father Land in Mass, so I should know its fate or cost before the weekend, knock on wood!

It would be a shame if it made the long trip & didn't visit the custom shop while it was there

 

[DustyDawg48]

It would be a shame if it made the long trip & didn't visit the custom shop while it was there

Me and custom shops don't mix. Somehow, cosmically I'm cursed forever to the world of stock stuff I can't even change wiper blades from factory configuration to one of the new Wonder Wipers without having 40 different issues. Now I'll be exceptionally happy if I can get my girl back from there without having to pay like it went through their custom shop. THAT would be a most excellent Father's Day gift!

 

[Grelber]

Off subject but worth knowing I thought.

Was checking what I could find on another ingo member (thinking of a gun trade, I don't own a 40 and that is just wrong) & found out that I could see his past conversations with other ingo members. Even saw stuff from a RB person there.

Didn't see anything anyone should worry about but it seemed obvious that the folks thought they were sharing private communication.

Tightened up all of my security settings to "Friend" but I suspect that if I had private communication with someone then you could still get to whatever I wrote through his personal info, assuming his sercuity settings were set loose.