James Yeager: 1911's suck

[lovemachine]

she can touch my glock as much as she wants

And an FYI, I just saw your picture of your Glock. I'm sure she prefers them to be bigger.

 

[rockhopper46038]

now this is a whole other argument that I think more people will likely rally to.

to a certain extent, I liken it to Gibson USA vs Gibson Custom Shop guitars. The law of diminishing returns definitely comes into play.

Well, maybe kinda. Diminishing returns I agree with, but skimping on your carry weapon is a much worse idea than skimping on your guitar.

 

[WebHobbit]

I guess the 11 yr old girls don't have problems with Glock 19's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0&feature=relmfu

I didn't say I couldn't SHOOT a Glock accurately. I can in fact - IF I fudge the grip. By "fudge the grip" I mean HOLD IT wrong. That is to say the barrel is not POINTING correctly (in line with the forearm). If a gun doesn't fit your hand (too big) you can angle it sideways slightly and get better trigger reach. This doesn't work too badly with standard two handed isosceles (or modified Weaver) but it's NOT instinctive or natural. I wouldn't want to rely on such a "fudging" in a defensive pistol that I carry. But just for range shooting it would be OK....I can pretty much GUARANTEE that 11 year old (unless she's oddly big with long fingers) IS 'fudging" the grip.

 

[WebHobbit]

Tori says HTFU

And I can GUARANTEE you her fingers are longer than my little hobbit digits...hell my wife's are too.

 

[HICKMAN]

funny how we don't hear about "thick grip" issues from folks shooting double-stack 2011 handguns, eh?

 

[WebHobbit]

Well that's because guns like the S&W M & P....my XDm and even the the 4th gen Glock all have user replaceable back strap pieces that can radically SHORTEN the trigger reach. This is GOOD THING.

 

[HICKMAN]

I've got small hands and it's never been an issue.

I shoot a 1911 exactly the same as I do a Glock, M&P, Ruger, etc.

 

[Sailor]

I didn't say I couldn't SHOOT a Glock accurately. I can in fact - IF I fudge the grip. By "fudge the grip" I mean HOLD IT wrong. That is to say the barrel is not POINTING correctly (in line with the forearm). If a gun doesn't fit your hand (too big) you can angle it sideways slightly and get better trigger reach. This doesn't work too badly with standard two handed isosceles (or modified Weaver) but it's NOT instinctive or natural. I wouldn't want to rely on such a "fudging" in a defensive pistol that I carry. But just for range shooting it would be OK....I can pretty much GUARANTEE that 11 year old (unless she's oddly big with long fingers) IS 'fudging" the grip.

So after you get punched in the neck and draw your gun in retention what natural and instinctive grip is best?

 

[WebHobbit]

I've got small hands and it's never been an issue.

I shoot a 1911 exactly the same as I do a Glock, M&P, Ruger, etc.

What are you calling "small"? My trigger finger is right at 3 inches measured from the backside tip to knuckle.

 

[Armed-N-Ready]

Really

15,000 students? That is a lot of classes to teach in a short time, considering all the combat experience he has had. Maybe he just teaches really big classes. I've never met anyone that knows exactly how many students they have taught. They can estimate (GUESS). I call BS. Just another mall ninja opinion to me.

 

[WebHobbit]

So after you get punched in the neck and draw your gun in retention what natural and instinctive grip is best?

I've found that a gun that fits my hand correctly WILL ALWAYS be right when I grab it....without even looking the bore will be aligned in my hand with my forearm like I am pointing my finger. The sights will line up pretty close too without much effort. Of course I have never tried this after being punched in the neck but why on earth would this work out any better with a gun thats too large and I have to fudge the grip to shoot it right?

 

[INyooper]

This thread is sorely lacking ....something ...maybe ....

Okay, now it can be closed.

 

[Dough Boy 1911]

As someone that has owned, fired and carried several Glocks and 1911 I prefer the 1911. I might be the rarity but my 1911's have actually proven to be more reliable then the glocks I've owned in the past. As as a former machinist and having worked in the automotive manufacturing industry for the past 12 years I can say he is correct about the "tolerance stacking" but with the precision of modern machining the tolerance gap has significantly narrowed. They are both great firearms but admittedly you have to do some research on the 1911 you choose but from a quality company I honestly believe they are every bit as reliable as any glock. Like some others have stated I hate to hear someone passing their opinion off as fact.

 

[HICKMAN]

What are you calling "small"? My trigger finger is right at 3 inches measured from the backside tip to knuckle.

mines 3.5

 

[WebHobbit]

Well there ya go....plus I understand the width of one's hand and trigger finger to thumb joint distance also has some bearing in trigger reach/grip but that is harder to measure/compare.

 

[HICKMAN]

15,000 students? That is a lot of classes to teach in a short time, considering all the combat experience he has had. Maybe he just teaches really big classes. I've never met anyone that knows exactly how many students they have taught. They can estimate (GUESS). I call BS. Just another mall ninja opinion to me.

You aren't serious... are you?

What business of any kind doesn't keep documentation? Registration forums, money collected, training certificates issues, taxes filed...

 

[HICKMAN]

Well there ya go....plus I understand the width of one's hand and trigger finger to thumb joint distance also has some bearing in trigger reach/grip but that is harder to measure/compare.

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[MACHINEGUN]

Care factor level equals zero!

 

[WebHobbit]

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But seriously that BUTT UGLY (and anemic) 380 looks to have a pretty lousy trigger reach (for a such a small piece) at least from the pic.

 

[radar44]

That girl will be still be beautiful when she's 116 !

just like that shiny 1911