INGO member in handcuffs

[ATF Consumer]

The officers that violated us needed to give us cards that said "already been violated today, so don't bother."

 

[jbombelli]

Too bad this was on a Monday. I'd like to attend one of these. With my AK slung. But sadly, like so many others, making statements often has to take a back seat to paying bills.

Kudos to all who showed up.

 

[ATF Consumer]

I actually took a vacation day to do this OC event today and I get treated like a criminal.

 

[patton487]

I wonder if this is newsworthy enough to make on the evening news broadcast?
Maybe those who participated could offer to be interviewed?

That would get the whole city talking and maybe change some IMPD policy.

 

[tbhausen]

It's OK, ATF, you're a legend here now!

 

[henktermaat]

So... who's going to go to the chief and lodge a complaint?

 

[sj kahr k40]

I think everyone that was detained should go as a group, and make sure you mention that ATF still had a gun in easy reach even when cuffed.

 

[wag1911]

And I saw 8 IMPD officers when I took a stroll thru the city market, not one said a word about it, +1 to the Impd officers that know the law

Exactly, plenty know the laws that they are sent out to enforce.

The minority that have their heads up their posteriors do the department and the citizenry a disservice though. It doesn't help to have a Superintendent (Frank Staub) who would like to see us all disarmed either.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I assumed "Officer Hightower" is Frank-n-Stein

You know what they say about assuming. I was not one of the officers involved. I don't work that district or that shift, and I was asleep when all the fun was being had.

 

[turnandshoot4]

This thread is great!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[henktermaat]

You know what they say about assuming. I was not one of the officers involved. I don't work that district or that shift, and I was asleep when all the fun was being had.

We all wished you could have been there... I might have heard ATF Consumer say "I wish Frank were cuffing me right now" and such. But we figured you were too busy rescuing kids from burning cars.

 

[gunrott]

This thread is great!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree I keep poping back in to see what they have added, I would like to attend an OC, one day I will have a day off to attend one.

 

[ATF Consumer]

I still have 3 vacation days left

 

[henktermaat]

I still have 3 vacation days left

Then you have time to march down there and complain

 

[Robert Richardson]

Sounds like way to much fun! "Atta boys" to you all.I'm suprised they didn't roll out SWAT!

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

We all wished you could have been there... I might have heard ATM say "I wish Frank were cuffing me right now" and such. But we figured you were too busy rescuing kids from burning cars.

I've never rescued a kid from a burning car, but I do like to dress up like a firefighter from time to time.

I talked to IndyMonkey about going, but I never committed to it. I was sure there was going to be some kind of police/OCer interaction due to the fact that this event wasn't advertised like the last two were, and I chose to stay home instead of getting involved. I would have definitely talked to the officers and helped explain to them that the event was completely legal, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't have been in the chief's office to answer questions about why I was participating.

Personally I think that had IndyMonkey not shown up with the MP5 you guys wouldn't have had any problems whatsoever. Being right across the street from police headquarters it is common to see plainclothes officers OCing. Some will wear a badge on their belt, some won't. I personally wear a shirt/tie/dress pants when I go to court and I have never had anyone in or around the city market challenge me while I am OCing. Most people aren't used to seeing someone with what Hollywood teaches them is a full-auto weapon just walking around. I know the first time I ever saw an OCer in Walmart I was a little freaked out, even though I knew it was legal. I had never seen a non-LEO doing it and so I wasn't used to it. Now that I am used to it and see it on a regular basis, I don't think about it anymore.

 

[ATM]

I might have heard ATM say "I wish Frank were cuffing me right now"

You are freaking me out here.

It was ATF Consumer that wants Frank to handcuff him.


Sounds like a fine day!


Sorry I couldn't be there.

 

[OneBadV8]

You are freaking me out here.

It was ATF Consumer that wants Frank to handcuff him.


Sounds like a fine day!


Sorry I couldn't be there.

Maybe Frank DID have you handcuffed?

 

[Cru]

Personally I think that had IndyMonkey not shown up with the MP5 you guys wouldn't have had any problems whatsoever. Being right across the street from police headquarters it is common to see plainclothes officers OCing. Some will wear a badge on their belt, some won't. I personally wear a shirt/tie/dress pants when I go to court and I have never had anyone in or around the city market challenge me while I am OCing. Most people aren't used to seeing someone with what Hollywood teaches them is a full-auto weapon just walking around. I know the first time I ever saw an OCer in Walmart I was a little freaked out, even though I knew it was legal. I had never seen a non-LEO doing it and so I wasn't used to it. Now that I am used to it and see it on a regular basis, I don't think about it anymore.

There were SEVERAL IMPD officers around the circle that did not give us any trouble at all. The city market ones were where there was hassle.

I tried to explain to one officer that the reason we all wanted to OC was to make it a more common sight since it's legal, and so that people (LEO included) would not freak out at the sight of it. He seemed to be looking past me to something else more interesting though.

 

[ATM]

Maybe Frank DID have you handcuffed?

Maybe



...but I didn't WANT him to.



Big difference.