IN police shatter car window, extract passenger after alleged seatbelt violation

[Frank_N_Stein]

If the cops keep escalating this, soon there will be more than just one out in the PA woods looking for a chance to get even. No threat or intent implied or intended. Just a prediction. Eventually, folks are going to get fed up with this and do a little "beer for my horses" on these guys.

The only thing that scares me more than a cop walking up to my vehicle is a Muslim with a machete (for the record, I just returned from Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation in the world).

Yes, there are good cops; just like there are good Muslims.

So what exactly did the two PA Troopers do to the guy to deserve being ambushed?

 

[Timjoebillybob]

the seatbelt violation is an infraction and you must identify yourself. looks like you contradicted yourself in your post above.

They said they were writing a ticket to the passenger as well.

And per the article, he tried to id himself by giving them a ticket he had received, they refused it. Also per the article he was wearing his seat belt, and if he wasn't why wasn't that one of the charges against him? Or failure to ID one of the charges?

 

[Ericpwp]

Well I did not see him take it off in the vid, and they did not have to get him out of it removing him from the vehicle.

 

[HoughMade]

From the video, it looks like the police went well over the top on this one, but putting too much faith in what one side tells the local media is kind of naive. It doesn't look good, but keep an open mind about what we don't see in the video, at least until both sides have their say. Just a thought.

 

[VUPDblue]

In fairness I did not watch the video, just read the article. I will try to watch the vid on a device that supports it

 

[lonehoosier]

In fairness I did not watch the video, just read the article. I will try to watch the vid on a device that supports it

[video=youtube_share;XsW-QCxXkQA]http://youtu.be/XsW-QCxXkQA[/video]

 

[TaunTaun]

You know, the driver could have defused this whole situation by saying No ingles, and requesting political asylum....

 

[seedubs1]

i was having this convo a few weeks ago. only thing i found was a police forum saying majority would arrest who ever didnt identify themselves

Police are not legally allowed to arrest someone for failure to identify themselves unless they have PC. Only then can they force you to identify yourself.

If they don't have PC and they arrest you for not identifying yourself, I'd be opening a lawsuit.

 

[VUPDblue]

Police are not legally allowed to arrest someone for failure to identify themselves unless they have PC. Only then can they force you to identify yourself.

If they don't have PC and they arrest you for not identifying yourself, I'd be opening a lawsuit.

What do YOU believe is PC for an arrest on refusal to identify? Don't just cut and paste the IC, I want to know what you mean.

 

[jedi]

Police are not legally allowed to arrest someone for failure to identify themselves unless they have PC. Only then can they force you to identify yourself.

If they don't have PC and they arrest you for not identifying yourself, I'd be opening a lawsuit.

Provided you survive the hail of lead that the JBTs will shoot for "officer safety" or your family can always do the lawsuit.
We have seen this time and time again and nothing is going to change any time soon.

 

[Birds Away]

One must first survive an encounter with police. If they can't arrest you for failing to identify then they will find something else. If they want you they will take you regardless of the law.

 

[Henry]

Thugs come in both sexes and all colors.

Many of them have costumes with shiny tin stars.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

So what exactly did the two PA Troopers do to the guy to deserve being ambushed?

What did the PA troopers do to that guy to make him wanna ambush them ?

Do we know if he had it out for the troopers specifically or did he just pick any nearest / easiest LEO ?

 

[Rookie]

I find it interesting that he wasn't charged with refusal to identify. That was the reason for yanking him through the window.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Well I did not see him take it off in the vid, and they did not have to get him out of it removing him from the vehicle.

I didn't see it either, but that clip starts after the beginning of the stop. Who knows what happened before? But in the video he states a couple of times that he gave the officers his info and appears to be trying to give them the ticket with his info on it. So failure to ID seems to be bs even if he wasn't wearing his seat belt.

[video=youtube_share;XsW-QCxXkQA]http://youtu.be/XsW-QCxXkQA[/video]

Thanks for posting that, I hadn't seen it before. It does seem to back up the report that he tried to give them the ticket and that he had previously IDed himself before since he stated a couple of times that he had given the other officers his info.

 

[seedubs1]

Sickening. Just watched that video. All of those officers need to be fired and put in jail.

Smashing a window all over children and tazering a non violent passenger that was pulled over for a seatbelt violation is absolutely unacceptable. They didn't so much as give a warning that they were going to break the window and drag him out.

 

[jedi]

Sickening. Just watched that video. All of those officers need to be fired and put in jail.

Smashing a window all over children and tazering a non violent passenger that was pulled over for a seatbelt violation is absolutely unacceptable. They didn't so much as give a warning that they were going to break the window and drag him out.

Officer safety you know. Plus I think it was on the fox32 website that the police said they saw him reaching into the center console for something *cough* gun *cough* so that forced them to break the glass.

 

[seedubs1]

Officer safety you know. Plus I think it was on the fox32 website that the police said they saw him reaching into the center console for something *cough* gun *cough* so that forced them to break the glass.

Yeah, that MUST be it. "We thought he was reaching for a gun." BS...you see the other officers get out of the way to be clear of the glass shards. They knew they were going to break the glass, tazer him, and drag him out, and they knew there was no reason for it.

Thugs. Just because they wear blue doesn't mean they're anything more than street level thugs.

 

[AngryRooster]

Those kids are going to have a healthy respect for law enforcement from here on out.

He asked for a supervisor several times, tried to show him what papers he had with him, didn't seem to be belligerent. Unless that cop was carrying that tool around with him (why would he) then he knew exactly what he intended to do when he went to get it. This guy has two other excessive force charges against him that were settled and are being paid, why is he still on the street?

 

[jedi]

why is he still on the street?

Because this is Hammond, IN which is in Lake County, IN and IS the corruption cesspool of northern Indiana. (Indy *might* attempt to rival it in corruption but we learn from Chicago around here). In any case the JBT has not messed with anyone with power (yet) so he will continue on his JB ways.

On a side note was the family from IL or IN? Meaning did the car plates say IN or IL?