IN police shatter car window, extract passenger after alleged seatbelt violation

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You had me at "repeal".

Just sent another round of emails to my Indiana legislators.

 

[jedi]

Without RAS of an infraction or ordinance violation or RABCOS, any LEO's demand for ID may be freely rebuffed without threat of further adverse action.

The JBTs had RAS for their action. See my PM since I'm not going to get an infraction/ban for it.

You have no rights on the side of the road. ( especially while looking down the barrel of a duty weapon). You do, however, have the possibility of the court ruling that your rights have been violated.

^This

 

[CathyInBlue]

Do I have any rights in my own backyard? Just curious.

 

[ghuns]

 

[Ericpwp]

So...they have to give you the right to remain silent?!?!?!

What kind of tool was that he used?

 

[rambone]

 

[jedi]

Do I have any rights in my own backyard? Just curious.

If you ask Rambone the answer is NO.
If you ask Jedi the answer is 75% of the time NO, 25% maybe.

So...they have to give you the right to remain silent?!?!?!

What kind of tool was that he used?

It's an emergency tool that can break the glass and also has a cutter to remove the seat belt.

 

[Bapak2ja]

If the cops keep escalating this, soon there will be more than just one out in the PA woods looking for a chance to get even. No threat or intent implied or intended. Just a prediction. Eventually, folks are going to get fed up with this and do a little "beer for my horses" on these guys.

The only thing that scares me more than a cop walking up to my vehicle is a Muslim with a machete (for the record, I just returned from Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation in the world).

Yes, there are good cops; just like there are good Muslims.

 

[CathyInBlue]

What kind of tool was that he used?

Halligan. It's generally only used by firefighters to break into burning buildings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halligan_bar

 

[Ericpwp]

That thing means business.

The guy didn't see that coming? Not something you would wear on your duty belt.

 

[jedi]

Not something you would wear on your duty belt.

If you are a JBT yes.

 

[TaunTaun]

The JBTs had RAS for their action. See my PM since I'm not going to get an infraction/ban for it.



^This

aaaaawww... why not? you have me curious now...

 

[Wild Deuce]

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[LANShark42]

"...unproffessionally short skirt..."?!? Where???

 

[VUPDblue]

While strictly true, they are not allowed to coerce the production of identifying information, nor are they allowed to exercise excessive force in removing a person from the vehicle. Making the removal from the vehicle ostensibly predicated on the lawful refusal to ID self of a vehicular passenger would seem to me to immediately jump any such removal of the passenger which involved any level of force from the LEOs into the excessive realm. Refusal to consent where consent is clearly not coercible under the law (Starr) cannot be allowed to be used to escalate a LEO's use of force.

Without RAS of an infraction or ordinance violation or RABCOS, any LEO's demand for ID may be freely rebuffed without threat of further adverse action.

the seatbelt violation is an infraction and you must identify yourself. looks like you contradicted yourself in your post above.

 

[CathyInBlue]

That was the driver's infraction, not the passenger's.

Nice try, though.

And, even if it was the passenger who committed the infraction, where's that logic? "You rode in a vehicle without a safety belt on, which is potentially dangerous, so we're gonna smash your window, shower you in glass, taze you, and rough you up, which is all actually dangerous."

 

[Ericpwp]

They said they were writing a ticket to the passenger as well.

 

[HoughMade]

"...unproffessionally short skirt..."?!? Where???

Yeah...I think I'm one of the few here qualified to judge whether it's professional or not, so I'm going to have to see the evidence.

 

[VUPDblue]

They said they were writing a ticket to the passenger as well.

This. Nice try though.

 

[HoughMade]

Is there a video from the beginning of the traffic stop through what was shown on Fox 32?