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[Landon]

One thing I know for sure about Fair Oaks, its cost an arm and a leg to take a family there for a "tour". I think its something like $20 for each adult and $16 for kids.

 

[gunbunnies]

Now of course if everyone followed the letter of the law and stayed home they could just file against their insurance and stop hiring those workers that couldn't show up to work and probably slaughter all those cows that died from not being milked on time or not fed or warmed properly because didn't you hear the county is closed... The lost of taxes will of course effect the county and state but they ordered it didn't they.... We of course will just get dinged for that tax lost on our income if we got a income that is....

More to be lost than the actual freedom to travel when you shut down all the kings roads I'd say....

 

[jamil]

Just read this and remember people talking of economics of this earlier...found this part of article amazing.

Fair Oaks Farms' dairy trucks were left stranded in northern Indiana, Indianapolis, Kentucky and Michigan after treacherous conditions forced the closure of I-65 and Interstate 94 on Sunday and Monday. I-65 reopened Tuesday morning.

Meanwhile, the dairy cooperative's 35,000 cows didn't stop producing milk on Fair Oaks' 10 member farms.

"The loss is substantial in the case of Fair Oaks Farms," Mike McCloskey, chairman of the board, told the Journal & Courier.

"We don't stop milking. Unfortunately, we have to let the milk go down the drain because capacity for storage on the dairy farm is full. Because the trucks can't come back to pick up the milk, we don't have a choice but to continue to milk the cows — because they need to be milked."

The company is taking between a $400,000 or $500,000 loss each day for milk that doesn't make it to the marketplace, McCloskey said.

"We're dealing with a quarter of a million gallons a day that will be lost," McCloskey said. "Maybe a little more if things don't get a little better."


​That is a lot of milk and money!

Sounds like Fair Oaks should do some better planning. I bet they could build a dang nice storage facility on their property for the money they claim to have lost over a couple of days.

Or, they could be allowed to take their chances. Back in the day I drove through many snow storms worse than this one. The roads didn't close. The idiots who couldn't drive in snow were usually rescued by enterprising people who can. The roads eventually get plowed, and life goes went on.

One thing I know for sure about Fair Oaks, its cost an arm and a leg to take a family there for a "tour". I think its something like $20 for each adult and $16 for kids.

It's obviously worth it to some people. They have tours. And people are paying them for it. They'll lower their prices or stop offering tours when tourists no longer spend that much.

 

[Landon]

It's obviously worth it to some people. They have tours. And people are paying them for it. They'll lower their prices or stop offering tours when tourists no longer spend that much.

Never said it wasn't worth it to some, just that its expensive. Thanks for the economics lecture, but I already understood how it works.

 

[Landon]

Now of course if everyone followed the letter of the law and stayed home they could just file against their insurance and stop hiring those workers that couldn't show up to work and probably slaughter all those cows that died from not being milked on time or not fed or warmed properly because didn't you hear the county is closed... The lost of taxes will of course effect the county and state but they ordered it didn't they.... We of course will just get dinged for that tax lost on our income if we got a income that is....

More to be lost than the actual freedom to travel when you shut down all the kings roads I'd say....

I guess you could file an insurance claim, but it would be denied because it was "An Act Of God."

Pretty sure cows don't just die because they were not milked on time. If they properly prepared, since they did have several days notice, they had plenty of feed set out for them to last a few days. While ideally animals should be put in barns or shelters in cold temperatures, I am sure they can survive if they are not.

Put I can agree with you. Instead of closing the roads, they should have just pulled the snow plows off the road and let it be. Your on your own, if you make it good and if you get stuck we hope you have the necessities to survive. We won't come rescue you or pull your vehicle out.

 

[IndyGunworks]

since they did have several days notice, they had plenty of feed set out for them to last a few days. While ideally animals should be put in barns or shelters in cold temperatures, I am sure they can survive if they are not.
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You clearly don't understand how a dairy cow/operation works do you? Missing one milking is not a big deal, but will put the cow into GREAT discomfort. miss two and you can have some serious health problems. any more than that and they may stop producing milk all together until they birth again, or at least will take a long time to get production back up. With a diary operation you don't just "skip" a milking

 

[IndyGunworks]

also, I am sure they had some sort of crop insurance and are not really out that kind of money.

 

[shibumiseeker]

Pretty sure cows don't just die because they were not milked on time.

You ever raised dairy animals?

Mastitis is a serious consideration and yes, a cow can die from it.

On a large production farm you CAN'T just stop milking cows. Even though you could skip one milking, the cattle are conditioned to come into the stalls and be hooked up to the milking machine, and several hundred cows who are in discomfort from not being milked is not a trivial event. Skip a couple of milking and the risk of infection goes up substantially.

 

[Snapdragon]

I've got a question for all these people who think they have the right to take their chances when the conditions have been deemed too dangerous to drive. You say you're willing to be "on your own". If, while driving on roads that had been declared unsafe for passage, you were involved in an accident that involved vehicle or property damage, or caused injuries, would you cover all expenses out of pocket, or let the insurance companies pick up the tab?

 

[steveh_131]

I've got a question for all these people who think they have the right to take their chances when the conditions have been deemed too dangerous to drive. You say you're willing to be "on your own". If, while driving on roads that had been declared unsafe for passage, you were involved in an accident that involved vehicle or property damage, or caused injuries, would you cover all expenses out of pocket, or let the insurance companies pick up the tab?

I would hold my insurance company to whatever terms are contained in our contract.

Unless the contract contains stipulations about snow while driving, they should cover any damages.

 

[CHCRandy]

I think we are just a society of wussies and mommas boys now days. I seen some tv guy the other day outside with a face mask & goggles....looked like a star wars creature. They made it sound like you would die if your skin was exposed for 30 seconds...I was out yesterday morning feeding my dogs and other critters without even a hood on. My mustache had ice and my ears didnt fall off. I was out for 30-45 minutes and thought the air felt fresh.

Can you imagine these girls trying to survive 40-50 or 100 years ago? How would they ever have made it with a horse and buggy.....

BTW Landon, Cows might as well die if not milked because that is what they will get. Unmilked cows will stop producing and risk sickness that will result in them being eaten. Cows are a creature of habit.....

 

[CHCRandy]

I've got a question for all these people who think they have the right to take their chances when the conditions have been deemed too dangerous to drive. You say you're willing to be "on your own". If, while driving on roads that had been declared unsafe for passage, you were involved in an accident that involved vehicle or property damage, or caused injuries, would you cover all expenses out of pocket, or let the insurance companies pick up the tab?

They would be responsible. My policy don't state nothing about voided in bad weather. What if YOU crash in a thunderstorm......you gonna make YOUR insurance pay?

 

[Snapdragon]

Yes, because that's what insurance is for. Covering accidents that occur under normal driving conditions. But it seems like if someone is truly willing to take responsibility for driving when it has been forbidden due to unsafe conditions, then they should also be willing to foot the bill and not pass it off to the insurance company, ultimately raising my premiums.

 

[Landon]

You clearly don't understand how a dairy cow/operation works do you? Missing one milking is not a big deal, but will put the cow into GREAT discomfort. miss two and you can have some serious health problems. any more than that and they may stop producing milk all together until they birth again, or at least will take a long time to get production back up. With a diary operation you don't just "skip" a milking

You ever raised dairy animals?

Mastitis is a serious consideration and yes, a cow can die from it.

On a large production farm you CAN'T just stop milking cows. Even though you could skip one milking, the cattle are conditioned to come into the stalls and be hooked up to the milking machine, and several hundred cows who are in discomfort from not being milked is not a trivial event. Skip a couple of milking and the risk of infection goes up substantially.

So is Fair Oaks a private sector company? Since when is it the governments responsibility to ensure the operation is functional at all times. If the situation is that serious then they should be properly prepared. They surely had to have the foresight that someday there may be a situation where trucks or workers may not be able to make it to work. They can either prepare for that circumstance and build storage facilities and living quarters for workers onsite for those situations or risk the loss of milk or animals. They chose to lose the milk down the drain instead of having a storage facility.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Yes, because that's what insurance is for. Covering accidents that occur under normal driving conditions. But it seems like if someone is truly willing to take responsibility for driving when it has been forbidden due to unsafe conditions, then they should also be willing to foot the bill and not pass it off to the insurance company, ultimately raising my premiums.

Only if the insurance company prohibits it as part of the policy.

 

[Bunnykid68]

So is Fair Oaks a private sector company? Since when is it the governments responsibility to ensure the operation is functional at all times. If the situation is that serious then they should be properly prepared. They surely had to have the foresight that someday there may be a situation where trucks or workers may not be able to make it to work. They can either prepare for that circumstance and build storage facilities and living quarters for workers onsite for those situations or risk the loss of milk or animals. They chose to lose the milk down the drain instead of having a storage facility.

I think you missed the part about having to pay property tax on all equipment owned whether they are using it or not

 

[IndyDave1776]

I've got a question for all these people who think they have the right to take their chances when the conditions have been deemed too dangerous to drive. You say you're willing to be "on your own". If, while driving on roads that had been declared unsafe for passage, you were involved in an accident that involved vehicle or property damage, or caused injuries, would you cover all expenses out of pocket, or let the insurance companies pick up the tab?

The Socialism is strong with this one!

 

[Landon]

I think you missed the part about having to pay property tax on all equipment owned whether they are using it or not

Are you sure? They operate as a farm, farms are exempt from a lot of taxes. Even if not, is property tax not part of doing business? Did they get an abatement? Did they get an added exit ramp from the state at their place of business where there was not previously one?

 

[dmarsh8]

Only if the insurance company prohibits it as part of the policy.

^^this and it's not an accident it's negligent, just like a
firearm.

 

[Snapdragon]

The Socialism is strong with this one!

Whoa. Looks like you need to take a pill.