Here Comes the Executive Order on Background Checks

[ATM]

The time has come for anyone that has ever claimed to support the 2nd Amend to show up and FULLY support it. No making excuses. No making compromises. If you are a member of this forum there should be no reason to do otherwise. Yes it is that important. The opposition has time and time again showed us their hand and there is absolutely no denying their intentions.

Where and when should we show up? What level of violence do you expect at this event?

 

[Bill of Rights]

Where and when should we show up? What level of violence do you expect at this event?

While I believe that ATM's questions above are made with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, I should caution that this is approaching that line we do not cross here.

Please take care not to do so.



Blessings,
Bill

 

[cbhausen]

Everyone's pretty fired up over this... I got ATM's drift. Nothing bad there.

And I'm pretty sure KG1 is talking about the ballot box, not the cartridge box.

 

[Vigilant]

ATM's statement may be tongue in cheek, but a dictator usurping power from the people, will eventually lead to that which can't be discussed! I, for one, will not stand and watch while the country I served, and my friends died for, is dismantled by "executive order"! **** ****ing Obama and his ***** wife too!

 

[cbhausen]

Read "The Bracken Anthology" and check out this chapter:

"#16 January 2013 Dear Mr. Security Agent: An open letter to law enforcement concerning gun control"

 

[Morgan88]

Just wait?
I wonder if Obama's last month In office will be wild with executive orders flying so fast it will be like "where's Waldo" And the usual pardoning of criminals?

 

[Expat]

Didn't he already let out several thousand crack dealers in the last few months? Hard telling what will be next.

 

[silverspoon]

Whatever he does it will amount to almost nothing and be tied up in a lawsuit for several years, long after he's gone. Not sure what the numbers will be but it most likely will be somewhere between 50 and 100. So if you sell more than say 50 guns per year you will have to be a licensed seller. Most people don't sell that many so it will not effect most people. Is it illegal and unconstitutional? Yep. Does he care? Nope. Just about all the laws the BATF enforces is illegal and unconstitutional. Adding one more will make little difference but it still doesn't make it right.

 

[cobber]

It's curious why he's doing this his last year in office, when his party is on the outs in Congress? Haven't the libs questioned why he didn't push for this earlier? Assuming for the sake of argument that he actually cared...

 

[K1LLB0XS373N]

Vote! In case of emergency ~Molon Labe~

 

[KG1]

Where and when should we show up? What level of violence do you expect at this event?

Stop trying to Yeager my post. cbhausen gets it.

 

[KG1]

Whatever he does it will amount to almost nothing and be tied up in a lawsuit for several years, long after he's gone. Not sure what the numbers will be but it most likely will be somewhere between 50 and 100. So if you sell more than say 50 guns per year you will have to be a licensed seller. Most people don't sell that many so it will not effect most people. Is it illegal and unconstitutional? Yep. Does he care? Nope. Just about all the laws the BATF enforces is illegal and unconstitutional. Adding one more will make little difference but it still doesn't make it right.

I have one question. How will they know if a person involved in private sales has sold more than an arbitrary number they come up with? Meaning how do they intend to keep track of that and enforce it?

 

[churchmouse]

Here is a thought.
If all sales will require a background check that is one step closer to full registration and tracking of "Legally" owned firearms.

If they have a good idea where they are what comes next.

 

[cobber]

Here is a thought.
If all sales will require a background check that is one step closer to full registration and tracking of "Legally" owned firearms.

If they have a good idea where they are what comes next.

Why, nothing at all. They're from the government, they're there to help us!

 

[Expat]

It's not clear whether Obama has settled on final language yet. But as one of the major proponents of a change, Everytown has recommended adding several factors to the definition — including selling guns in their original packaging, reselling a gun shortly after acquiring it, maintaining a certain quantity of guns for sale or selling more than 25 guns a year — as possible signals that someone needs a license.

Read more: Obama set to unveil curbs on gun sellers - POLITICO

So selling a gun with the box will be a thing of the past? Almost everyone wants the box with a pistol.

 

[Thor]

Having recently finished "Gun Control in the Third Reich" I'd have to say what comes next is not going to be good. Once they know where they are all they need is a political reason to disarm their enemies. If you go for that then you will be forced to comply with everything else...or else. The people who put their 'common sense gun laws' into effect thought that it might be a bad idea if some radical elements got ahold of the information...

With the current Tyranny of the Bureaucracies that we are living under, combining charitable giving information from the IRS, groups associated with from the NSA, and weapons ownership from the BATFE would be easy enough when it comes time to send out the armed squads for the politically incorrect.

There is no functioning reason to track all the guns if you don't intend to come and take them at some point. Tracking them stops no crime...even if the criminals would allow you to track theirs and I'm guessing stolen guns won't be coming up on the registry. If they could track the illegal ones (and they can't) they might be able to stop the next crime...but that is not the desired outcome here. It is power and control.

 

[churchmouse]

Having recently finished "Gun Control in the Third Reich" I'd have to say what comes next is not going to be good. Once they know where they are all they need is a political reason to disarm their enemies. If you go for that then you will be forced to comply with everything else...or else. The people who put their 'common sense gun laws' into effect thought that it might be a bad idea if some radical elements got ahold of the information...

With the current Tyranny of the Bureaucracies that we are living under, combining charitable giving information from the IRS, groups associated with from the NSA, and weapons ownership from the BATFE would be easy enough when it comes time to send out the armed squads for the politically incorrect.

There is no functioning reason to track all the guns if you don't intend to come and take them at some point. Tracking them stops no crime...even if the criminals would allow you to track theirs and I'm guessing stolen guns won't be coming up on the registry. If they could track the illegal ones (and they can't) they might be able to stop the next crime...but that is not the desired outcome here. It is power and control.

Orwell was just off a bit on the date.

 

[Thor]

Orwell was just off a bit on the date.

Yeah, and these people are reading 1984 as an instruction manual not a dire warning.

 

[churchmouse]

Yeah, and these people are reading 1984 as an instruction manual not a dire warning.

When I met my current spouse (1980) and we decided to make a life together these issues were coming to focus even then. The general state of society, Governing bodies in it for personal gain, on and on. I did not want to bring children into the mess I saw forming. She disagreed. Turns out I was a visionary.

That the electorate sits on its duff (enough to give us this mess) just confirms my opinions on the general population. Lazy comes to mind.

I went off on a bit of a rant yesterday and was set straight by another Mod. He was right. Getting mad will not fix this as it only solidify's these people in their beliefs when it is smashed into their faces. Kind of like a petulant child.

Now.....................how do we fix this. seriously. Can it be fixed. It has been forming up since the hippies marched in the late 60's. Those nuts are in charge now.
45 years of back sliding socially. That is not fixed over night or in 1 election cycle. I am facing 66 years on this planet come March. When my time ends and those middle aged positive thinkers pass on what will happen then. The mindset of so many young folks is very socialist leaning. I feel the life cycle of this nation is nearing its end as we "Knew" it.

 

[KG1]

So selling a gun with the box will be a thing of the past? Almost everyone wants the box with a pistol.

Yes. I guess we'll just have to sell guns in paper bags now.