First time I had to draw my handgun (in this state)

[chezuki]

I got some lotion I put in a basket.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Well thank-you Mr. Burton. I will go over the laws more often but in all honesty the law goes out the door when I belive there is a fair chance that my family or I are in ANY danger or even the slightest chance that danger could be imminent.

"the slightest chance that danger could be imminent" is ALL the time! Do you point your gun at everybody that you see? It IS possible that they mean to do you harm after all!

 

[Jack Burton]

I don't believe anyone claimed that he would be convicted!?

That does seem to be the "given" when someone is arrested for a felony, which many people here seems to believe he committed.

 

[remauto1187]

"the slightest chance that danger could be imminent" is ALL the time! Do you point your gun at everybody that you see? It IS possible that they mean to do you harm after all!

No I dont get people knocking on my door at 230am that I know their history which so happens to be bad. As a matter of fact this is the first time Ive had anyone knocking on my door after midnight or before 7am. This conversation is primarily based on "being at home"....not in line at McDonalds.

 

[Dirtebiker]

That does seem to be the "given" when someone is arrested for a felony, which many people here seems to believe he committed.

People who commit crimes get off all the time. You pretty much said it yourself.

 

[Jack Burton]

Fail. As a "judge," you ignored all the documented testimony the OP has made on this forum.

Errr....what do you think I had to go on other than the "documented testimony the OP has made on this forum"? Do you think I called him up and discussed the case with him over the past hour?

And just where did the concept of a "judge" come into the picture. Lets see, I discussed prosecutors, and I discussed juries, and I discussed... oh that is right... I never mentioned a word about "judge".

And it would have been most difficult for me to account for a post he made AFTER my post, eh.

 

[remauto1187]

how about a solution to future problems....take the worthless signs down and put up "HELP WANTED"...problem solved.

I see what you did there but the mods are watching so I cannot comment with any further wisecracks. Afterall, I am probably already gonna get banned for awhile. Ill be stuck hanging out at AR15.com or worse yet HowToFixYourSpringfieldXD.com.

 

[Dirtebiker]

No I dont get people knocking on my door at 230am that I know their history which so happens to be bad. As a matter of fact this is the first time Ive had anyone knocking on my door after midnight or before 7am. This conversation is primarily based on "being at home"....not in line at McDonalds.

Sorry, I'm a stickler for words. You said "the slightest chance that danger COULD BE IMMINENT" that would literally be ALWAYS!

 

[Jack Burton]

People who commit crimes get off all the time. You pretty much said it yourself.

chasing after strawmen which have nothing to do with the OP or the discussion.

 

[Dirtebiker]

chasing after strawmen which have nothing to do with the OP or the discussion.

You? Or me?

 

[sig-guy]

Proper solution after this has occurred:

1. Place boot firmly on girlfriend's backside until it is clear of the door.
2. Lock door behind her.
3. Call police
4. Find smarter girlfriend
5. Profit

Didn't see this option coming!

 

[bwframe]

Errr....what do you think I had to go on other than the "documented testimony the OP has made on this forum"? Do you think I called him up and discussed the case with him over the past hour?

And just where did the concept of a "judge" come into the picture. Lets see, I discussed prosecutors, and I discussed juries, and I discussed... oh that is right... I never mentioned a word about "judge".

And it would have been most difficult for me to account for a post he made AFTER my post, eh.

It doesn't really matter one way or another. Any number of Internet "lawyers" or "judges" cannot seem to save this poor fellow from himself anyway.

 

[Daggy]

My biggest concern is that it was only 'mercy' that prevented the OP from pulling the trigger, he felt completely justified to kill the guy just for putting his hand in his jacket pocket. People often get away with pointing guns at others (no harm no foul), people don't often get away with murder.

 

[chezuki]

My biggest concern is that it was only 'mercy' that prevented the OP from pulling the trigger, he felt completely justified to kill the guy just for putting his hand in his jacket pocket. People often get away with pointing guns at others (no harm no foul), people don't often get away with murder.

Agreed. The "mercy" statement is what makes me question the OP's grasp on reality.

 

[remauto1187]

Sorry, I'm a stickler for words. You said "the slightest chance that danger COULD BE IMMINENT" that would literally be ALWAYS!

Well I chose not to take the chance that as soon as I turned around to walk in the house with my girlfriend not to get shot in the back. Keeping in mind his history of violence and I knew he was desperate to find his x-girlfriend. (they have 2 kids together). I chose not to let you all read about me in the news as a murder statistic.(possibly).....and Id do it again under the circumstances with the same person.
Its possible I might be able to get along with alot of members on this forum but obviously not with the ones that think everything is black and white in life and with the law. You can bet that if I ever have to draw my weapon again or fire that it is for good reason to protect my family or myself from harm or the extreme possibility of and possibly even for protection of someone else depending on the circumstances.

 

[Jack Burton]

My biggest concern is that it was only 'mercy' that prevented the OP from pulling the trigger, he felt completely justified to kill the guy just for putting his hand in his jacket pocket. People often get away with pointing guns at others (no harm no foul), people don't often get away with murder.

90 percent agreed. It would have been much more difficult (but not impossible) for a defense attorney to rescue him had he pulled the trigger. He was far too quick to consider that as an option.

 

[remauto1187]

Agreed. The "mercy" statement is what makes me question the OP's grasp on reality.

It appears you dont understand that I would not have fired until his hand came out of his coat with a weapon. I would not have shot someone until they produced a weapon but I chose not to even let him pull any weapon out. He left, it was done and I went to bed.
I believe if you go thru my post history you will see that I am not a fan of shoot first ask questions later. In fact the incident with the man in montana shooting the 17&18yr old boy and girl in his basement comes to mind as a thread that i posted in and speaks exactly as to what i said here in this post. I value life, people make mistakes but that does not always mean they should die for it.

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

My biggest concern is that it was only 'mercy' that prevented the OP from pulling the trigger, he felt completely justified to kill the guy just for putting his hand in his jacket pocket. People often get away with pointing guns at others (no harm no foul), people don't often get away with murder.

Well said and a good point. I haven't seen that pointed out in the thread thus far unless I missed it.

 

[chezuki]

It appears you dont understand that I would not have fired until his hand came out of his coat with a weapon. I would not have shot someone until they produced a weapon but I chose not to even let him pull any weapon out.

Yet that's not what you said...

Some may say why didnt I drop him in my driveway. Mercy...is all I can say, that and I didnt really feel like going down to answer a bunch of questions and have to lawyer up and all that mess.

 

[Smokepole]