First time I had to draw my handgun (in this state)

[Sylvain]

You're right. I haven't ever put one hand inside of a pocket while the other hand was still exposed. This is extremely suspicious behavior. You caught me.

I did it just once but it was to reach for my grenade.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Dont come in my driveway with a "history" like the guy last night had and you wont have anything ever to worry about, sunshine. Next time dont ask if you dont want to know the answer.

So, you apparently ARE one of those people that probably shouldn't be carrying a firearm. Pointing guns at people on your doorstep, and indicating that you have no problem doing it again under certain circumstances, via a thinly veiled threat. You need to grow up. You're gonna get yourself, of somebody else needlessly hurt, or worse.

 

[chezuki]

the 2nd highlighted section does not apply, read the 1st sentence carefully.

I can read just fine. I deliberately quoted that section because the person was NOT in the dwelling, but on the property.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I was in my underwear and she had sweat pants and a sweat top on already. All she had to do was slider her slippers on.

Bummer!
still, there is NO WAY IN HELL that ANYONE in my family is going near that door BEFORE me!
Again, BIG fail!

 

[Kutnupe14]

He got smart, so i gave it right back. If he cant get that, then I dont know what to tell him. I would not say that to him or any other officer in uniform, surely he is not in uniform right now and typing on Ingo on INDIANA time.

Lol, well I do work wed and thurs this week, but starting at 5pm. Nice try tho.

 

[Dirtebiker]

It is illegal UNLESS "reasonable force is justified" (I'm not certain it was, but there are a lot of absolutes in this thread without enough details to make them)

Correct, but I was only going by his post. He said his girlfriend opened the door (maybe even stepped outside) and was talking to the "victim".

 

[remauto1187]

So, you apparently ARE one of those people that probably shouldn't be carrying a firearm. Pointing guns at one guy on your doorstep, and indicating that you have no problem doing it again under certain circumstances, via a thinly veiled threat. You need to grow up. You're gonna get yourself, of somebody else needlessly hurt, or worse.

FIFY

 

[chezuki]

I'd like to hear what some of INGO's respected LEO's have to say about the OP's actions.

Also, if the OP's actions were criminal, why is he not in jail? He stated that he called 911 immediately and told them what happened. Why haven't the police showed up to arrest him?

 

[jdmack79]

I did it just once but it was to reach for my grenade.

The portrait of a maniacal killer:

 

[Dirtebiker]

He got smart, so i gave it right back. If he cant get that, then I dont know what to tell him. I would not say that to him or any other officer in uniform, surely he is not in uniform right now and typing on Ingo on INDIANA time.

Huh?

 

[Jack Burton]

After reading all the back and forth I think a decent self defense attorney could present a sufficient, although not overwhelming, case for AOJ. Certainly enough to persuade a jury that the OP acted in a reasonable manner given the circumstances. It might not prevent a zealous prosecutor from taking it to trial but in my opinion he would not get a conviction.

It was not handled in the best possible way, but that is not what juries look for. Juries look for reasonableness and good story telling. And, at the end of this story it became a no harm, no foul happenstance. Everyone went back to bed safe and sound.

People don't like wife-beaters, and if it was shown that 1) the visitor was indeed a wife-beater and 2) that was a known fact to the homeowners, that is going to influence the jury far more than any other facts of the case, including whether or not the homeowner observed every jot and title of the law at 2 in the morning.

I would not recommend such an event being handled this way, or even approximately close to it, but I do believe that much of the histrionics presented by many of the posters reflect a desire for a perfect situation instead of acknowledging what happens in the real world.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Lol, well I do work wed and thurs this week, but starting at 5pm. Nice try tho.

Well, a long as you don't have your uniform on...... Wait, you DO have clothes on, don't you?

 

[remauto1187]

Lol, well I do work wed and thurs this week, but starting at 5pm. Nice try tho.

At 5 ill be at work still so I wont be holding up "the innocents" in my driveway then. I usually target shoot in my backyard so dont be suprised to hear of reports of bangs and kabooms back there.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'd like to hear what some of INGO's respected LEO's have to say about the OP's actions.

Also, if the OP's actions were criminal, why is he not in jail? He stated that he called 911 immediately and told them what happened. Why haven't the police showed up to arrest him?

Where's the victim? What are you going to convict on considering OP has the 5th Amendment priv?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, a long as you don't have your uniform on...... Wait, you DO have clothes on, don't you?

I got some lotion I put in a basket.

 

[Dirtebiker]

After reading all the back and forth I think a decent self defense attorney could present a sufficient, although not overwhelming, case for AOJ. Certainly enough to persuade a jury that the OP acted in a reasonable manner given the circumstances. It might not prevent a zealous prosecutor from taking it to trial but in my opinion he would not get a conviction.

It was not handled in the best possible way, but that is not what juries look for. Juries look for reasonableness and good story telling. And, at the end of this story it became a no harm, no foul happenstance. Everyone went back to bed safe and sound.

People don't like wife-beaters, and if it was shown that 1) the visitor was indeed a wife-beater and 2) that was a known fact to the homeowners, that is going to influence the jury far more than any other facts of the case, including whether or not the homeowner observed every jot and title of the law at 2 in the morning.

I would not recommend such an event being handled this way, or even approximately close to it, but I do believe that much of the histrionics presented by many of the posters reflect a desire for a perfect situation instead of acknowledging what happens in the real world.

I don't believe anyone claimed that he would be convicted!?

 

[remauto1187]

After reading all the back and forth I think a decent self defense attorney could present a sufficient, although not overwhelming, case for AOJ. Certainly enough to persuade a jury that the OP acted in a reasonable manner given the circumstances. It might not prevent a zealous prosecutor from taking it to trial but in my opinion he would not get a conviction.

It was not handled in the best possible way, but that is not what juries look for. Juries look for reasonableness and good story telling. And, at the end of this story it became a no harm, no foul happenstance. Everyone went back to bed safe and sound.

People don't like wife-beaters, and if it was shown that 1) the visitor was indeed a wife-beater and 2) that was a known fact to the homeowners, that is going to influence the jury far more than any other facts of the case, including whether or not the homeowner observed every jot and title of the law at 2 in the morning.

I would not recommend such an event being handled this way, or even approximately close to it, but I do believe that much of the histrionics presented by many of the posters reflect a desire for a perfect situation instead of acknowledging what happens in the real world.

Well thank-you Mr. Burton. I will go over the laws more often but in all honesty the law goes out the door when I belive there is a fair chance that my family or I are in ANY danger or even the slightest chance that danger could be imminent.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I got some lotion I put in a basket.

If you don't, you'll get the hose again!

 

[comanche]

how about a solution to future problems....take the worthless signs down and put up "HELP WANTED"...problem solved.

 

[bwframe]

After reading all the back and forth I think a decent self defense attorney could present a sufficient, although not overwhelming, case for AOJ. Certainly enough to persuade a jury that the OP acted in a reasonable manner given the circumstances. It might not prevent a zealous prosecutor from taking it to trial but in my opinion he would not get a conviction.

It was not handled in the best possible way, but that is not what juries look for. Juries look for reasonableness and good story telling. And, at the end of this story it became a no harm, no foul happenstance. Everyone went back to bed safe and sound.

People don't like wife-beaters, and if it was shown that 1) the visitor was indeed a wife-beater and 2) that was a known fact to the homeowners, that is going to influence the jury far more than any other facts of the case, including whether or not the homeowner observed every jot and title of the law at 2 in the morning.

I would not recommend such an event being handled this way, or even approximately close to it, but I do believe that much of the histrionics presented by many of the posters reflect a desire for a perfect situation instead of acknowledging what happens in the real world.

Fail. As a "judge," you ignored all the documented testimony the OP has made on this forum.

A perfect example:

... in all honesty the law goes out the door when I belive there is a fair chance that my family or I are in ANY danger or even the slightest chance that danger could be imminent.