Fake news is fake

[2A_Tom]

False, in so far that it can't be proven. That's your tribalism talking.

I am sure that BAMN and antifa would adopt that as their slogan.

Edit: It would be worn by college students at Berkeley too.

 

[Kutnupe14]

George W. Bush was very polite to the left and took everything they dished out without hitting back. He advanced conservative ideas. How?

That is what the left wants. That is what we have always given them. It has never worked.

You and the rest are just like all of the centrist Democrats and media that always pointed out all of Obama's bad points.

Did he? And if he did, he wasted his time, given how quick conservatives have become Trumpers. Real conservatives don't seem to exist in any real numbers anymore. They seem to have abandoned their tenets and sold their souls to personal biases, and demagogues. But the same could just as easily be said for the left.

 

[2A_Tom]

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Did you read the post?

 

[BugI02]

False, in so far that it can't be proven. That's your tribalism talking.

If 'can't be proven' is the standard to declare something to be false, then you haven't had a true post about Trump in longer than I can remember

 

[Kutnupe14]

No it's not my tribalism talking. It's my observance of everything that has been going on. Show me pictures of conservatives holding up a liberal president's bloodied head. Show me conservatives calling for the shooting up of schools based on LIES spread by the CONSERVATIVE media Kut. Go on... I'll wait.

Actually, I'll amend my statement. It might actually be true, because, as you noted it was in relation to what you had seen. And I can't speak on what you've seen.

 

[Fargo]

But we are doomed to live in this world until the next. Why not try to make it better instead of increasing the suffering (which is exactly what the left wants to do to remain in power)? And I don't know what gains you think we've made. Seems to me that we've only suffered losses in recent history (starting with FDR).

I don't think you really read my post before you responded to it. Abandoning principles of objective right and wrong never leads to the world becoming a better place.

"But they" is not an excuse.

 

[2A_Tom]

Fargo, what type of law do you practice?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I don't think you really read my post before you responded to it. Abandoning principles of objective right and wrong never leads to the world becoming a better place.

"But they" is not an excuse.

I went back and reread it, because I thought maybe I had misread (or failed to read) part of it. I'm not calling for abandoning anything. I'm calling for recognizing right and wrong, in ourselves of course, but also for calling out that which we can objectively say is wrong. Of course some will say that "wrong" is subjective, and perhaps they've got a point.

As for me...

Joshua 24:15

 

[Fargo]

I went back and reread it, because I thought maybe I had misread (or failed to read) part of it. I'm not calling for abandoning anything. I'm calling for recognizing right and wrong, in ourselves of course, but also for calling out that which we can objectively say is wrong. Of course some will say that "wrong" is subjective, and perhaps they've got a point.

As for me...

Joshua 24:15

I don’t believe my original post was in any way directed at you.

 

[mmpsteve]

IMO, "But they..." is where principle goes to die, particularly for conservatives. I am floored at some of the stuff I see conservatives suggest/support based on "But they...".

I suppose it is just religious sentimentality on my part, but I find the whole thing to be completely antithetical to the Christian ethos. Our struggle is not of this world, nor should our victory be. What does it profit us to gain the upper hand in political power, but lose our principles of right and wrong that brought us to the fight to begin with?

Sure, we have made gains consequentially but at what cost and on the road to where? If this bitterness is "winning", color me tired...

Ha, the Christian ethos does not support socialism, so you're wrong on the premise. It does support voluntary charity. And where do you see gains in this socialogical battle? Conservative (Christian) values have continually given ground to 'other' types of values. How does that serve The Lord? I too am getting tired, but it's turning into a fierce desire to see the truth, for once, told in public venues.

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[Fargo]

Ha, the Christian ethos does not support socialism, so you're wrong on the premise. It does support voluntary charity. And where do you see gains in this socialogical battle? Conservative (Christian) values have continually given ground to 'other' types of values. How does that serve The Lord? I too am getting tired, but it's turning into a fierce desire to see the truth, for once, told in public venues.

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Where the hell do you get socialism from my post? I've been called a lot of things, but damn...

 

[Fargo]

Fargo, what type of law do you practice?

Criminal.

 

[2A_Tom]

I don't think you really read my post before you responded to it. Abandoning principles of objective right and wrong never leads to the world becoming a better place.

"But they" is not an excuse.

Fargo, what type of law do you practice?

Criminal.

So, You defend "people that are accused of a crime."

Is it not a principle of justice that even a guilty person is entitled to a vigorous defense?

Therefore, is it possible that you may have defended someone that was, unbeknownst to you, guilty and gotten them acquitted? In doing so you did what was required to protect your client, but in effect you may have done a greater wrong.

 

[jamil]

I remember Trump dickishly making a mockery of many things that America was already "great" at as part of his self-proclaimed MAGA campaign.

Sure, we all want America to be great. Just not everyone buys into Trump's distorted view of greatness. Keep in mind, he thinks himself to be "great." No way I want to be "great" like him.

I had a negative view of MAGA hats (including those worn by family and friends) before this dustup.

The left wants to contort that negativity into something COMPLETELY different, along racial lines. I'll defend against the efforts to do that, but I don't think it objectively reasonable to say that MAGA hats were universally positive even before this.

It’s a campaign slogan. It’s only become a symbol because insane people have turned it into today’s equivalent of a white sheet or swastyka. People are actually triggered by this.

 

[2A_Tom]

I remember Trump dickishly making a mockery of many things that America was already "great" at as part of his self-proclaimed MAGA campaign.

Since you recall them please enumerate, I seem to have missed them.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It’s a campaign slogan. It’s only become a symbol because insane people have turned it into today’s equivalent of a white sheet or swastyka. People are actually triggered by this.

And some people wear it for that exact reason.

 

[2A_Tom]

And some people wear it for that exact reason.

And whose minds did you read in order to come to this conclusion? Maybe someone confessed it to you.

You said someone could not prove something earlier, so I guess you should take that to heart.

 

[Fargo]

So, You defend "people that are accused of a crime."

Is it not a principle of justice that even a guilty person is entitled to a vigorous defense?

Therefore, is it possible that you may have defended someone that was, unbeknownst to you, guilty and gotten them acquitted? In doing so you did what was required to protect your client, but in effect you may have done a greater wrong.

I understand the problem you pose, but do not see how it is analogous to justifying unprincipled behavior by saying "But they do x...".

 

[Kutnupe14]

And whose minds did you read in order to come to this conclusion? Maybe someone confessed it to you.

You said someone could not prove something earlier, so I guess you should take that to heart.

You don't need to read minds (not that with those folks it would be especially hard). Nevertheless, there are people that wear Trump MAGA hats, because they want to hijack the mantra for their own purposes.

 

[Phase2]

A key takeaway from this event: