Ejected from Cabela's for open-carrying

[haldir]

I hope Scutter or Spasmo will email or call their customer service and advise them that there are 4-5,000 INGO members all stirred up over this incident and see what response they have.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

Dragon Talon, PLEASE either start going back and editing afterthoughts into your posts or simply address multiple concerns in a single post instead of replying a plethora of times. thanks.

I don't know how to edit or combine the whole posts without deleting them... Either way, I have contributed to the thread, and like I said, I was there when the OP was, and I was even OCing too, and no one stopped me.

 

[tv1217]

Click that multi button on all the posts you want to quote, then click quote

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

Thanks TV1217, Josh just told me how to do it, and I tried it out. Thanks again for the advice... Most other forums I am on also don't have that feature... But alot of them have the same thread/posting platform as this one.

 

[csaws]

I bought a handgun at Gander Mountain in Greenwood once. After the sales transaction the salesman said that I had to be escorted outside and that I couldn't have my new purchase until I was out the door. If I knew that this was their policy I never would have bought the gun. Didn't like the way it made me feel and it ticked me off. I can be trusted to buy a firearm from them but I can't be trusted to carry it through the store.

Dick's Sporting Goods has the same policy FYI

 

[bigg cheese]

...as does Big R. ... and I've seen it done at Wal-Mart as well.

 

[csaws]

Click that multi button on all the posts you want to quote, then click quote

Thanks man, +1 rep. I always wondered how the hell that worked.

 

[Scutter01]

When you hit the quote button, it will arrange the "multi" quotes in whatever order you clicked them, too.

 

[tv1217]

It's one of the more redeeming features of phpBB boards that I've seen.

That and quick reply

 

[Scutter01]

It's one of the more redeeming features of phpBB boards that I've seen.

That and quick reply

Huh. We use vBulletin. What website have you been going to?

 

[paddling_man]

Depends on the time of day and how long I have been riding, if your not a 300lb tattooed leather clad biker that apparently scares people at Denny's you wouldn't understand. Sweat plus leather plus miles of open roadplus lets not forget that evil gun equals a possibly olfactory offensive man.

Close... 235#, leather clad biker that avoids Denny's here. It's just I don't stink anymore?! Forty now and I explained that my wife a couple of years ago that I was amazed that my hot, sweaty feet had discontinued having an odor as I aged.

Once she stopped herself from uncontrollably laughing she explained that it was my sense of smell that had faded... not my aroma.

Clearly some things related to aging are gifts. I may feel that way about senility one day.

 

[tv1217]

Sorry, all these bbcode boards look the same to me.

 

[tskin]

Thanks man, +1 rep. I always wondered how the hell that worked.

Here a question since we're teaching about how to multiquote, how do you *rep* someone?

 

[tv1217]

This:

 

[stmoore]

+1 for "your mistake is that the knife is now your identity, your opponent sees the threat and can counter it."

As to this point: many years ago, I was taking a self-defense class. They were teaching hand to hand knife fighting that day, and the instructor asked one of us to show how we think we should hold a knife in a defense posture. The kid stuck his arm out in classic West Side Story fashion, waving it in front of him.

The instructor said, "your mistake is that the knife is now your identity, your opponent sees the threat and can counter it." He then showed various techniques where the knife has held in ways where it's sudden appearance would be both surprising and effective.

Fear has nothing to do with my decision to not open carry. It's bad tactics, it's illogical, it draws to much attention. You choose to protect your rights by scaring soccer moms in Walmart? I don't feel the need to scare anyone. I am confident knowing I can defend myself.

 

[Joe Williams]

Click that multi button on all the posts you want to quote, then click quote

Thank you

 

[turnandshoot4]

Here is my take on the "identity" issue.

YOU are the "identity" of the gun owners out there. Wear it proudly.

 

[Joe Williams]

Notice on the State Form, it says CARRY, not specifying OPEN OR CONCEALED, whatever you see fit, use your own personal judgement.

Yeah... that was kinda my point.

 

[agentl074]

Spasmo and I took a trip up to Cabela's in Hammond this afternoon. It was warm outside, so I took off my cover, exposing my XD worn IWB but oustide my tucked-in shirt.

We shopped in the store for maybe 30 minutes, acquiring maybe $150 in prospective purchases. We weren't bothering anybody, and in fact prior to entering the store had a friendly conversation with a couple from Michigan who had inquired about my pistol.

Eventually, a store employee came up to me and asked me if I was a police officer. I said no, and she told me that her "AP" (whatever that is) said that I have to leave. When I asked her why, I was told "Because we shouldn't have to look at that" pointing at my pistol. Apparently, unless I'm a LEO, having a visible pistol is highly offensive. I told her that Cabela's stated corporate policy was to follow the laws of Indiana and she insisted again that "we shouldn't have to look at that and my AP says you need to leave". I'll also note that they had a sign posted similar to Gander Mountain's sign, regarding checking any firearms, but LTCH holders were exempted. After the exchange, I said "Fine. We're leaving." I put my selections down and we walked out.

Now, I'm not complaining about being asked to leave for carrying a firearm (although I feel I have every right to complain about that). No, what I'm really upset about is that not only is Cabela's staff just not getting the message from their corporate officers, but that they decided to treat me like a second-class citizen. "We shouldn't have to look at that". Really, Cabela's? You sell firearms but you shouldn't have to look at someone actually carrying one? What kind of ridiculous ******* hypocrites are you?

They've had plenty of chances to change their attitude, but it seems repeated complaints to the corporate office have resulted in little or no action. Cabela's publicly-stated corporate policy is crystal clear but the local store management continues to completely disregard it. They won't see another dime of my money and I urge the rest of you to boycott them as well. It's clear that they aren't interested in our business anyway.

Did you submit a complaint to their corporate office - place, time, what happened, persons etc?

 

[Bill of Rights]

Do you guys honestly think that because there is a "policy" statement for the corporation, that local managers could not use their own judgment, and be supported by corporate? At the end of the day, they have to make the call that they feel is the best for their customer base as a whole, not the minority that want to open carry.
They have the right to boot anyone out, for any reason. If you go in there dressed in clown makeup, with a swastika tattooed on your forehead, singing broadway show tunes, you are gonna get thrown out. Now, do you have the right to be a singing nazi clown? Absolutely! See how that works?

And for dragging 20 of your buddies in for an open carry day? They probably won't give you any flak, sure, because you are intimidating them. People with exposed guns tend to do that, especially when there is a gang of them, and you are unarmed. And most of them are female. If that is your goal, congratulations, you can scare unarmed cash register ladies. Woo.

Your language (gang?) shows your bias.It's not about scaring people, as that would be a crime (literally.)

It's about education. The more they learn that good, decent people can go out and shop, see a movie, have supper, etc., all while armed and not being adorned with a little metal shield, and no harm comes of it; the more that "Susie Soccermom" sees that that man who just happened to be standing near the curb stops her little darling who is dashing for the street and who politely answered with a "no, I'm not, but you're welcome!" when she gratefully breathed, "Thank you, Officer!", the fewer problems like this we will find. We can touch the lives of one or many at a time. This is a way to touch many lives at once and to do so positively and with respect.

Lastly, if you think that store management can be more restrictive than the law allows and it should be perfectly fine and carry no consequences at all, try this: A store employee comes up and tells you that "you need to leave" because "we shouldn't have to look at that", while pointing at your young child. Turns out their argument is that your child (age... oh, let's say seven or eight) just might have an "accident" in their store, and it's clear from his or her manner of dress that s/he is not dressed to prevent said "accident" from damaging their carpets, etc. Would you choose to
A) raise a complaint that your child has not had an accident of that nature in at least four years (this is analogous to an "it might go off by itself" claim);
B) complacently agree and totally ignore any factual reason, and over his/her crying protests, force your child to wear a diaper whilst in their store (analogous to "CCW is the ONLY correct way to carry, if you must carry at all vs. analogous to "I'm a sheep with no rights of my own, and must defer to the rights of my betters.");
C) ask to speak to a manager (you know, someone who truly does make policy for a store, representing his/her store's corporate policy) and attempt to persuade him/her to change the policy; and/or
D) refuse to spend your money in a place that clearly disregards the rights of others because of the feelings of some. Just because they have the right to do that does not make it a good idea for them to do so.


Congratulations. You just taught your child to say "baaaaaaa". Nice job.
Oh, by the way, since you gave in and didn't exercise either your right as a parent to choose what your child wears and how or your right of free speech to verbalize your dissent with the policy, due to a little thing called "incrementalism", when you go to that store again next week or next month, the policy will be expanded and it will not be only those under 12. You'll be joining your child on that changing table, but then, for those who want a "Nanny State", I suppose that wouldn't be too objectionable.

Blessings,
Bill