Dorner in a gun battle with police near Big Bear

[Rookie]

Are you suggesting I'm j706? I didn't type his responses, I'd like to think I can just be responsible for what I post.

No, I don't think you're him, but I would like to see an officer stand up and tell another officer that he's out of line.

 

[phylodog]

Do you have any thoughts on the causes and potential solutions for the police randomly attacking the innocent. My personal sense of security is eroding to the point where I feel like I am caught between two potentially dangerous groups in form of the police and the criminals.

I think the cause is that the officers were scared ****less and acted as such. I don't know what the solution is. Most cops, hell most people (myself included) do not know what it would feel like to be actively hunted by a committed opponent.

I don't support what they did nor will I defend their actions. At the same time I sure haven't envied their position and I wouldn't have wanted to be wearing an LAPD uniform driving around in a marked car during the past week either.

I don't believe Doerner's claims against the department nor do I believe the department's claims. As with most things the truth lies somewhere between them and I long ago stopped worrying about things that I have no ability to learn the truth on.

Bottom line is it doesn't affect me. I feel for everyone involved and I hope nothing like that happens here.

 

[phylodog]

No, I don't think you're him, but I would like to see an officer stand up and tell another officer that he's out of line.

I've been doing my best to ignore this thread. I really didn't want to get into it as it is a no win for me. This will probably be my last post unless someone calls my mom a name.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I've been doing my best to ignore this thread. I really didn't want to get into it as it is a no win for me. This will probably be my last post unless someone calls my mom a name.

I won't call her a name, but I may call her

 

[MoparMan]

Kid that used to live at the cabin says it has a basement.

 

[j706]

Would you extend the same consideration had one of the innocents returned fire and shot a cop dead for attacking because the cop was too damned stupid to be turned loose with a gun? You would act yourself to shoot Dorner without him doing anything personally to you. Would you afford the same consideration you give yourself to the citizen who returns fire on the cop who wrongfully opens fire?

The "what ifs" can go on forever. The things that happened in LA will get sorted out. Again I really have no concern about what else happened. My only concern was to see this idiot dead or captured. That is the ONLY reason I have even posted anything. No one is defending what the California cops did. Come on man it is California. They do things different out there. Heck they don't even think like us normal people.

 

[Rookie]

I've been doing my best to ignore this thread. I really didn't want to get into it as it is a no win for me. This will probably be my last post unless someone calls my mom a name.

You asked for it. Your mom is a mother!

 

[fireblade]

am getting mix stuff off scanners ...a lot of confusion on site if he was in there if he was he wasn't pulled out .....bunker buster swat is on a secure frec... any one got any updates......

 

[miguel]

How in the world has printcraft not weighed in on this thread?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I think the cause is that the officers were scared ****less and acted as such. I don't know what the solution is. Most cops, hell most people (myself included) do not know what it would feel like to be actively hunted by a committed opponent.

I don't support what they did nor will I defend their actions. At the same time I sure haven't envied their position and I wouldn't have wanted to be wearing an LAPD uniform driving around in a marked car during the past week either.

I don't believe Doerner's claims against the department nor do I believe the department's claims. As with most things the truth lies somewhere between them and I long ago stopped worrying about things that I have no ability to learn the truth on.

Bottom line is it doesn't affect me. I feel for everyone involved and I hope nothing like that happens here.

I can understand your perspective, especially in terms of trying to sift the truth out of a situation in which it will never be found. In my reckoning, that does not foster trust.

The bigger problem from my perspective is that if have had more trouble in my life from wrong-acting cops than from criminals. Taking that in tandem with the fact that in the case of someone like Dorner, even acting locally, I have little cause for concern for my personal safety. I have a serious cause for concern under such circumstances of getting filled full of lead by some cop who is jumping at his own shadow--all while hearing the rhetoric about how he is entitled to a double standard in his favor because he is some kind of ubermensch. It creates a serious problem with public safety when those hired to promote public safety become the greater danger to public safety.

 

[stesco]

I think Dorner is on the Obama anti gun movement payroll. He probably is in the DC area attending the State of Union address. In all seriousness, saying prayers to the family of the deceased Deputy.

 

[rambone]

 

[popsmoke]

I think he got away. My buddy in the area told me that they're setting up a perimeter and checking vehicles.

 

[JetGirl]

News text to my phone says "FOXNews reporting as if long manhunt is over"... and another before that was about the cabin being allowed to burn down.

 

[fireblade]

update :
someone did try to leave cabin after fire and had to go back in from gun fire...

 

[sepe]

How in the world has printcraft not weighed in on this thread?

Because...printcraft is really Christopher Dorner....

 

[public servant]

Kid that used to live at the cabin says it has a basement.

Had a basement. Now it's the first floor.

 

[rambone]

 

[atvdave]

:boring: Back to the Kentucky & Florida game.

 

[popsmoke]

Did anyone else see this? They briefly reported that SWAT fired explosives into the cabin.

Might have been a slip, but it was up for about 25 seconds before a quick glitch, and a new line.