Do you TRULY want a good AR-15 or do you want crap?

[Bfish]

Most ARs that I've seen be junk are BCG/bolt issues. Personally I did have a problem with one going down, one of the pins was walking out. Shooting and all of the sudden the trigger is dead because the hammer pin pushed out to one side a bit and it got everything bound up when it was not longer holding things in place. I threw KNS pins kit on it and it's been flawless for years now.

 

[AngryRooster]

Just a quick heads up for anyone else that's looking. Bravo just got a bunch of uppers back in that have been out of stock. Just placed my order for the 11.5 to for the SBR build.

 

[T-DOGG]

Just a quick heads up for anyone else that's looking. Bravo just got a bunch of uppers back in that have been out of stock. Just placed my order for the 11.5 to for the SBR build.

There's a guy in classies selling a 20" upper.....

 

[AngryRooster]

There's a guy in classies selling a 20" upper.....

If I didn't already have a scoped 20" I would have picked yours up already.


Wow, that didn't sound right...

 

[T-DOGG]

I can't handle a 20"....it's just too long and bangs around into stuff inside the house. Knocked the lamp over the other day with it.

 

[Vigilant]

I can't handle a 20"....it's just too long and bangs around into stuff inside the house. Knocked the lamp over the other day with it.

Swat it on the tip, it’ll get smaller!

 

[sig1473]

PSA Premium mp/HPT with a standard mi-spec phosphate finish???

Those are well known to be tool craft if so. They’re straight mil-spec and are issued to the .gov for use in m4’s. I’d trust those as much as a bcm, Noveske, dd, LMT, or other quality BCG.

Anything other than PSA Premium with the standard mil-spec phosphate finish, I would absolutely not trust and put it in the “range toy” category.

Toolcraft only provides carriers to the .gov not bolts. There is thread on M4Carbine about that.

 

[Trigger Time]

The last toolcraft carrier i bought (not from psa) I felt lacked on the gas key bolt staking.

 

[sig1473]

The last toolcraft carrier i bought (not from psa) I felt lacked on the gas key bolt staking.

I bought 2x a while back with not very good staking as well. I have a MOACKS tool and fixed them.

 

[Expat]

My BCM was picked up yesterday. Now I need to figure out optics (no sights came with at all), sling, any other accessories....

 

[seedubs1]

Correct. Toolcraft doesn't make bolts themselves. However, the bolts that come with their BCG's are top of the line and well known to be high quality.

Toolcraft only provides carriers to the .gov not bolts. There is thread on M4Carbine about that.

 

[Hohn]

The last toolcraft carrier i bought (not from psa) I felt lacked on the gas key bolt staking.

There are some VERY knowledgeable people who think the staking is completely unnecessary.

I wouldn't make such a big deal about it.

 

[Hohn]

PSA Premium mp/HPT with a standard mi-spec phosphate finish???

Those are well known to be tool craft if so. They’re straight mil-spec and are issued to the .gov for use in m4’s. I’d trust those as much as a bcm, Noveske, dd, LMT, or other quality BCG.

Anything other than PSA Premium with the standard mil-spec phosphate finish, I would absolutely not trust and put it in the “range toy” category.

Did you mean any PSA unit other than PSA premium? Other non-PSA carriers I'd say are worthy of consideration, even if they lack the mil-spec phosphate.

I see nothing wrong with a hard chrome carrier if done properly to prevent embrittlement.

There's an inherent tradeoff with mil-spec. On one hand you have proven and known, but lowest common denominator. On the other, you have uncertainty but possibly far greater tech and performance.

 

[seedubs1]

Who?

Those bolts DO back out from time to time if not properly staked.

That being said.....The internet has made a big deal over cosmetics of gas key bolt staking. I've seen a lot of staking that was fine that people were questioning.

There are some VERY knowledgeable people who think the staking is completely unnecessary.

I wouldn't make such a big deal about it.

 

[seedubs1]

PSA premium phosphate is all I'd trust from PSA. I don't trust them to properly spec, inspect, test, etc... a non-mil-spec coating. Like you mention, you can run into embrittlement, adhesion, etc... issues. As always, you may buy one from PSA with an odd coating, and it may work perfectly for you. But with BCG's, it's a statistics and numbers game. I personally want one in my gun that I know has a VERY low failure rate. Because if your BCG goes down, you're SOL.

I do trust some non-mil-spec BCG's. But not from PSA. For example, the Sionics NP3 and Youngs Chrome BCG's are EXCELLENT. And I agree. Mil-spec is the LOWEST spec I want in my guns. There is better stuff out there. But there is also a lot of snake oil, and if you don't want to wade through a pile of garbage to figure out what's actually good.....mil-spec is always there ready to go. Mil-spec is tested and a known quantity.

Did you mean any PSA unit other than PSA premium? Other non-PSA carriers I'd say are worthy of consideration, even if they lack the mil-spec phosphate.

I see nothing wrong with a hard chrome carrier if done properly to prevent embrittlement.

There's an inherent tradeoff with mil-spec. On one hand you have proven and known, but lowest common denominator. On the other, you have uncertainty but possibly far greater tech and performance.

 

[Trigger Time]

There are some VERY knowledgeable people who think the staking is completely unnecessary.

I wouldn't make such a big deal about it.

Well they can keep their knowledge for themselves. I've seen what poor staking leads to. So I will stay with what I've experienced personally and not what some other Very knowledgeable person thinks. I'm never done learning but I'm pretty confident in what i have learned thus far.

 

[Vigilant]

There are some VERY knowledgeable people who think the staking is completely unnecessary.

I wouldn't make such a big deal about it.

I’d be interested in knowing who they are?

 

[sig1473]

I’d be interested in knowing who they are?

These clowns don't believe in staking:https://youngmanufacturing.net/staking-the-gas-key-on-the-ar-15-and-m-16-carrier/

 

[sig1473]

That's why I invested in one of these:
View attachment 64952

 

[seedubs1]

IIRC, they use some heavy duty thread locker and have tested their solution pretty well. Just a different way to skin a cat. I’d trust a Young’s BCG. They’ve been in the game making high quality BCGs for a LONG time and definitely aren’t “clowns.”

Pretty much any other BCG manufacturer than Young’s, I wouldn’t trust something that isn’t properly staked.

These clowns don't believe in staking:https://youngmanufacturing.net/staking-the-gas-key-on-the-ar-15-and-m-16-carrier/