Did world war 3 just start?

[ArcadiaGP]

Moscow may walk out of nuclear treaty after US accusations of breach | World news | theguardian.com

 

[88GT]

Moscow may walk out of nuclear treaty after US accusations of breach | World news | theguardian.com

Like violating it wasn't walking out.

 

[T.Lex]

If only we hadn't been so harsh, then the treaty would still be working.

 

[Dead Duck]

Maybe we should put up signs...



They're doing a great job here at home.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Like violating it wasn't walking out.

i could be mistaken but wasnt the treaty for short range missiles, and they tested a long range?

 

[ModernGunner]

So, what's the lace-panties wearing Liar-In-Chief gonna DO about it?

Same as always: nothing.

Apparently, this miserable inaction is considered 'appropriate' by even some on INGO. That's pretty sad.

 

[mrjarrell]

Looks like the EU has decided to ratchet up the sanctions and the US is headed in the same direction.

EU agrees 'strong' sanctions to punish Russia - Europe - Al Jazeera English

 

[mrjarrell]

So, what's the lace-panties wearing Liar-In-Chief gonna DO about it?

Same as always: nothing.

Apparently, this miserable inaction is considered 'appropriate' by even some on INGO. That's pretty sad.

OK, what's he supposed to do? We're already enacting sanctions against them for the Ukraine. The treaty doesn't, as far as I know, spell out any penalties for breaking it. What is the Modern Gunner solution?

 

[88GT]

i could be mistaken but wasnt the treaty for short range missiles, and they tested a long range?

If that's the case, then what is all the hub-bub about?

 

[mrjarrell]

Maybe ZA is thinking of this test and not the cruise missile test. They've been testing ICBM's, too.

Edit: The link won't take you to the right place. See if I can find a better one.

 

[Henry]

Barry announces new sanctions...

Obama announces expanded sanctions against Russia as E.U. aligns - The Washington Post

I'm sure Putin is shaking in his boots over this action from the pantywaist in chief.

Putin plays chess. The eunuch in chief plays tiddlywinks.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Barry announces new sanctions...

Obama announces expanded sanctions against Russia as E.U. aligns - The Washington Post

I'm sure Putin is shaking in his boots over this action from the pantywaist in chief.

Putin plays chess. The eunuch in chief plays tiddlywinks.

Still not sure what you people are crying about. You want to go to war with russia now is that it?

 

[Henry]

Who said anything about war?

Peace through strength ring a bell?

Its the eunuch's weakness that created this mess. The bastard is an empty suit. Putin knows full well he's dealing with a limp wristed candy ass.

 

[mrjarrell]

OK, so what is Henry's plan? You've got the podium now. You're in the catbird seat. What does President Henry do? What's your plan?

 

[copperhead-1911]

Maybe I am missing something, but it seems Putin has no respect for Obama.

 

[88GT]

OK, so what is Henry's plan? You've got the podium now. You're in the catbird seat. What does President Henry do? What's your plan?

Straw man.

Henry is pointing out the obvious: weakness is provocative. The bully targets the seemingly weak because he knows they are unlikely to respond and his chances of getting away with it are high. He is far less likely to target the individual that portrays an attitude that says messing with him will hurt. In this case, Russia is very much aware that the U.S. is a weak target. Unfortunately, the analogy falls apart in that unlike the school yard bully, Russia won't actually back down from the fight when finally confronted by his victims. But that doesn't change the fact that one could avoid becoming a victim by not looking like one.

 

[mrjarrell]

Straw man.

Henry is pointing out the obvious: weakness is provocative. The bully targets the seemingly weak because he knows they are unlikely to respond and his chances of getting away with it are high. He is far less likely to target the individual that portrays an attitude that says messing with him will hurt. In this case, Russia is very much aware that the U.S. is a weak target. Unfortunately, the analogy falls apart in that unlike the school yard bully, Russia won't actually back down from the fight when finally confronted by his victims. But that doesn't change the fact that one could avoid becoming a victim by not looking like one.

Not a strawman in the least. Just wanting to know what they should be doing. Lots of people bring this up, but not one has a rational plan. The administration has already engaged in sanctions. Beyond that there's been talk of moving short range missiles into the area by some. It's been a hours since this came into being and people are ****ting bricks over our perceived weakness. Is Obama a hawk? Not even. But he's at least doing something and doing it in a sane fashion. Sanctions are sane and they can always be ratcheted up to hurt Russia even more. It's very clear to everyone who's paying attention that the American public does not want a military solution to this on our part. Obama's, for once, listening to the American people.

 

[88GT]

Not a strawman in the least. Just wanting to know what they should be doing. Lots of people bring this up, but not one has a rational plan. The administration has already engaged in sanctions. Beyond that there's been talk of moving short range missiles into the area by some. It's been a hours since this came into being and people are ****ting bricks over our perceived weakness. Is Obama a hawk? Not even. But he's at least doing something and doing it in a sane fashion. Sanctions are sane and they can always be ratcheted up to hurt Russia even more. It's very clear to everyone who's paying attention that the American public does not want a military solution to this on our part. Obama's, for once, listening to the American people.

It is a straw man. One can observe and point out the source of the problem without having a solution and still be credible. You are attempting to create the logical fallacy that the observation lacks credibility if someone can't come up with a viable solution.

And sanctions are the international geopolitical equivalent of the parental "Stop, or I'll tell you to stop again."

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

It is a straw man. One can observe and point out the source of the problem without having a solution and still be credible. You are attempting to create the logical fallacy that the observation lacks credibility if someone can't come up with a viable solution.

And sanctions are the international geopolitical equivalent of the parental "Stop, or I'll tell you to stop again."

Criticizing without providing at least a half way decent ( or any ) alternative does not make one look credible. How should Obama look strong in this situation that wouldnt drag us into the war?

 

[Fargo]

Criticizing without providing at least a half way decent ( or any ) alternative does not make one look credible. How should Obama look strong in this situation that wouldnt drag us into the war?

For a start, he needs a Time Machine to go back about six years and stop bowing and making bright red lines he doesn't mean...