Did world war 3 just start?

[ZombieApocolypse]

For a start, he needs a Time Machine to go back about six years and stop bowing and making bright red lines he doesn't mean...

Ill take that as a you dont think its possible for us to look strong and not get involved in the war. Anyone else want to give it a try?

 

[Fargo]

Ill take that as a you dont think its possible for us to look strong and not get involved in the war. Anyone else want to give it a try?

No, absolutely not. We look weak because we have acted weak for the last six years. It has nothing to do with us getting involved in a war now we have no business in.

Trying to act tough today is largely a lost cause because of our prior actions of the last six years.

 

[88GT]

Criticizing without providing at least a half way decent ( or any ) alternative does not make one look credible. How should Obama look strong in this situation that wouldnt drag us into the war?

Oh bull****.

 

[Justus]

FWIW, this has been making the rounds on the financial sites today. Fast forward to 3:15 if you want

High Probability of a US Military Build-up in Ukraine
[video=youtube;8A0Xd6hiCn4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A0Xd6hiCn4[/video]

 

[Iron Brigadier]

no

 

[printcraft]

no

 

[reno]

And to note.. There is an Russian war ship docked in Cuba.

Putin said last night that Russia will start relations with Cuba. SO read that anyway you wish to. The Cuban Missile Crisis again, With the Commander in Chief presently at the helm?

 

[Justus]

A statement from Russia about retaliation for sanctions:

US to Sustain Tangible Loss From ?Short-Sighted? Anti-Russian Sanctions ? Moscow | Business | RIA Novosti

 

[mrjarrell]

The average Russian in the street isn't overly concerned, but all they get is propaganda. The people in the business sector, on the other hand.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/w...-russians-alarm-grows-over-putin-tactics.html

 

[avboiler11]

You mean that maybe, JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST maybe, ole' Fartbama's weak-knee no-strength yellow-bellied sanctions might actually be having the desired effect of creating pressure on Putin from within the Russian wealthy & elite due to their negative impact on Russian trade within the global economy?

Bu-bu-but INGO said sanctions are weak...

 

[Henry]

The average Russian in the street isn't overly concerned, but all they get is propaganda. The people in the business sector, on the other hand.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/w...-russians-alarm-grows-over-putin-tactics.html

You mean that maybe, JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST maybe, ole' Fartbama's weak-knee no-strength yellow-bellied sanctions might actually be having the desired effect of creating pressure on Putin from within the Russian wealthy & elite due to their negative impact on Russian trade within the global economy?

Bu-bu-but INGO said sanctions are weak...

Speaking of propaganda, I wouldn't bet the farm on it....or even the outhouse for that matter.

 

[mrjarrell]

The G7 is prepared to ratchet things up even more on Russia. Looks like resolve on the part of the West. Eventually these will start to really hurt the Russian economy.

BBC News - Ukraine conflict: Russia faces more sanctions, warns G7

 

[Henry]

I doubt Russia is missing much sleep over it.

When winter comes and Europe is looking to heat their homes, run their machines, etc. Russia, who supplies over a third of Europe's fossil fuels, will start hitting that leverage.

No doubt our candy ass in chief will make some statements about red lines or banning caviar imports to New York or some other such drivel....that will get them shaking!

Who knows. Before long Cuban cigar producers may be selling their products from state owned storefronts all up the east coast and around Mexico's golf. Maybe they'll call them Red Line Cigars.

 

[avboiler11]

I doubt Russia is missing much sleep over it.

When winter comes and Europe is looking to heat their homes, run their machines, etc. Russia, who supplies over a third of Europe's fossil fuels, will start hitting that leverage.

The bigger question is does Europe need Russia's energy more or less than Russia needs Europe's energy $$$.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

I doubt Russia is missing much sleep over it.

When winter comes and Europe is looking to heat their homes, run their machines, etc. Russia, who supplies over a third of Europe's fossil fuels, will start hitting that leverage.

No doubt our candy ass in chief will make some statements about red lines or banning caviar imports to New York or some other such drivel....that will get them shaking!

Who knows. Before long Cuban cigar producers may be selling their products from state owned storefronts all up the east coast and around Mexico's golf. Maybe they'll call them Red Line Cigars.

Riiiight when instead our president should be doing everything people here say.... oh wait, you just whine and dont provide solutions

 

[Fargo]

Riiiight when instead our president should be doing everything people here say.... oh wait, you just whine and dont provide solutions

If you don't want to be perceived as weak and not have any options and a situation like this, you shouldn't do things like:

-Allow your ambassadors to be killed with impunity.

-Refer to deserters as having served with honor and distinction.

-Bow to anything that moves.

-Make threats and draw red lines that you know you can't or won't follow through on.

The US has no leverage in Russia largely because we have pulled stuff like the above for the past 6 years. They know us for what we are.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

If you don't want to be perceived as weak and not have any options and a situation like this, you shouldn't do things like:

-Allow your ambassadors to be killed with impunity.

-Refer to deserters as having served with honor and distinction.

-Bow to anything that moves.

-Make threats and draw red lines that you know you can't or won't follow through on.

The US has no leverage in Russia largely because we have pulled stuff like the above for the past 6 years. They know us for what we are.

Then why are people complaining Obama isnt doing anything now, if there "arent any options?"

 

[Fargo]

Then why are people complaining Obama isnt doing anything now, if there "arent any options?"

Because there "aren't any options" precisely because of his prior actions...

 

[mrjarrell]

Because there "aren't any options" precisely because of his prior actions...

And yet...actions are being taken that are getting the attention of the Russian business community. And more may well be on the way. At least they're doing something.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Because there "aren't any options" precisely because of his prior actions...

Why is this an issue now? When Russia went into Georgia republicans werent calling for us to get involved at all. Whats changed besides the president?