Did world war 3 just start?

[smokingman]

Ukraine military helicopter shot down near Sloviansk, Ukraine, defense ministry says

IMF military helicopter shot down should be the headline.Just last week Kiev stated the could do nothing and had no control over eastern Ukraine.In steps the IMF and demands military action or they will not give Ukraine a 17 billion(US $)loan.IMF warns Ukraine on bailout if it loses east
Ukraine bailout of $17bn approved by IMF who warns reforms are at risk | World news | theguardian.com

Google 40+ dead Ukraine.You will see some images of Svoboda(judging by the Svoboda head gear,scarf,and arm bands) teen girls making maltov cocktails and if look will find video of others throwing them into the building and at the doors.Of course western media has not mentioned that 40+ unarmed people where burned alive.Also interesting is the Odessa protestors are not wanting to be part of Russia,they had a public statement by the mayor the day prior to the fire stating they wanted autonomy from what they considered an illegitimate government in Kiev until the new elections.How that gets translated to wanting to join Russia is curious to say the least.

 

[T.Lex]

I'm curious, smokingman, do you consider this a civil war yet?

It seems very reminiscent of the Bosinan situation of the mid '90s. Only with social media, now.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The ****
US F-15 Intercepts Russian Strategic Bomber Near Guam | Zero Hedge

 

[88GT]

The ****
US F-15 Intercepts Russian Strategic Bomber Near Guam | Zero Hedge

For some reason an F14 flying inverted over a MiG comes to mind.

 

[smokingman]

I'm curious, smokingman, do you consider this a civil war yet?

It seems very reminiscent of the Bosinan situation of the mid '90s. Only with social media, now.

Yes it is a civil war with lots of moving parts.Bosnia was a two sided war.Ukraine has at least 4 sides currently.It is also a proxy war for geography and influence.

Paul Craig Roberts take on it(Bio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and was noted as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[SUP][1][/SUP] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy.

Washington Intends Russia’s Demise
Paul Craig Roberts
Washington has no intention of allowing the crisis in Ukraine to be resolved. Having failed to seize the country and evict Russia from its Black Sea naval base, Washington sees new opportunities in the crisis.
One is to restart the Cold War by forcing the Russian government to occupy the Russian-speaking areas of present day Ukraine where protesters are objecting to the stooge anti-Russian government installed in Kiev by the American coup. These areas of Ukraine are former constituent parts of Russia herself. They were attached to Ukraine by Soviet leaders in the 20th century when both Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country, the USSR.
Essentially, the protesters have established independent governments in the cities. The
police and military units sent to suppress the protesters, called “terrorists” in the American fashion, for the most part have until now defected to the protesters.
With Obama’s incompetent White House and State Department having botched Washington’s takeover of Ukraine, Washington has been at work shifting the blame to Russia. According to Washington and its presstitute media, the protests are orchestrated by the Russian government and have no sincere basis. If Russia sends in military units to protect the Russian citizens in the former Russian territories, the act will be used by Washington to confirm Washington’s propaganda of a Russian invasion (as in the case of Georgia), and Russia will be further demonized.

*snip rest at the source. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/02/washington-intends-russias-demise-paul-craig-roberts/

 

[avboiler11]

There is a half-century of Russia flying strategic bombers around US interests...

 

[ArcadiaGP]

But seriously. What the ****.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...california-coast-show-force-over-ukraine.html

Why are we not shooting these dicks down?

 

[Birds Away]

But seriously. What the ****.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...california-coast-show-force-over-ukraine.html

Why are we not shooting these dicks down?

Because shooting down planes in international airspace is an act of war.

 

[mrjarrell]

Looks like the "vote" in Crimea was bit slanted and not at all what Putin said it was. Imagine my surprise.

Putin's 'Human Rights Council' Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results - Forbes

 

[BogWalker]

Looks like the "vote" in Crimea was bit slanted and not at all what Putin said it was. Imagine my surprise.

Putin's 'Human Rights Council' Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results - Forbes

Has the US television media grabbed this up yet? Seems.... pertinent to the situation at hand. Would take a lot of wind out of the sails of those defending Russia's actions.

 

[9mmfan]

Everyone knows it's the Nazi's fault.

 

[danielson]

Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

Humans have a great track record for failing to learn from history.

Like our sanctions on Japan giving them the fuel (or lack thereof) needed for them to "strike back" by attacking pearl harbor.

We are a stupid animal, we really are.

 

[Phil502]

Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

Humans have a great track record for failing to learn from history.

Like our sanctions on Japan giving them the fuel (or lack thereof) needed for them to "strike back" by attacking pearl harbor.

We are a stupid animal, we really are.

Theres a book out called Day of Deceit that states that Roosevelt started Japan up on purpose.

 

[BogWalker]

Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

Humans have a great track record for failing to learn from history.

Like our sanctions on Japan giving them the fuel (or lack thereof) needed for them to "strike back" by attacking pearl harbor.

We are a stupid animal, we really are.

So we should have let the Japanese continue on their way and solidify their position in the Pacific until they eventually attacked US holdings there, thereby dragging us into the war against a Japanese war machine far more powerful than the one we actually had to fight? The war was inevitable. By bringing them into the conflict before they were prepared we struck a massive tactical victory.

I really doubt Russia is going to start a war with us over economic sanctions anyways. We really don't have much of a capacity to harm them with them anyways (as has been shown). The only real economic worry the Russians would have is if Europe stopped buying their fuel exports.

 

[Phil502]

So we should have let the Japanese continue on their way and solidify their position in the Pacific until they eventually attacked US holdings there, thereby dragging us into the war against a Japanese war machine far more powerful than the one we actually had to fight? The war was inevitable. By bringing them into the conflict before they were prepared we struck a massive tactical victory.

I really doubt Russia is going to start a war with us over economic sanctions anyways. We really don't have much of a capacity to harm them with them anyways (as has been shown). The only real economic worry the Russians would have is if Europe stopped buying their fuel exports.

Okay sure but leaving the bulk of the US Fleet out there to be a sitting duck was criminal. If it was done just to spark outrage by American citizens the Roosevelt should have hung for it.

 

[BogWalker]

Okay sure but leaving the bulk of the US Fleet out there to be a sitting duck was criminal. If it was done just to spark outrage by American citizens the Roosevelt should have hung for it.

I was referencing the claims that the end of American supply of oil and steel to the Japanese incited the war. It probably did, but I've outlined why that isn't exactly reprehensible. What you stated certainly sounds criminal, almost just a step down from a false flag event.

 

[Henry]

Truth is the first casualty of war.

Samantha Power?s brazen hypocrisy: Media swallows propaganda, but here?s the truth about Ukraine - Salon.com

 

[danielson]

So we should have let the Japanese continue on their way and solidify their position in the Pacific until they eventually attacked US holdings there, thereby dragging us into the war against a Japanese war machine far more powerful than the one we actually had to fight? The war was inevitable. By bringing them into the conflict before they were prepared we struck a massive tactical victory.

I really doubt Russia is going to start a war with us over economic sanctions anyways. We really don't have much of a capacity to harm them with them anyways (as has been shown). The only real economic worry the Russians would have is if Europe stopped buying their fuel exports.

No, If your selling crack to a crackhead and you want to stop selling it to him, you have to assume he might be hostile about it. THATS my point. When we cut off our supply to Japan, we never thought they might "retaliate" That was a big mistake.

If we are going to punish people by economic means, we have to assume the possibility of "retaliation" for those actions, or else we are not learning from history.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Humans have a great track record for failing to learn from history.


We are a stupid animal, we really are.

Two of the truest statements I've read on these pages.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Truth is the first casualty of war.

And, although not the first casualty of History, it does end up dying a slow, gasping death just the same. (which probably goes toward danielson's first statement above)