Dear trainers: The cost of the NRA *Basic* Pistol course is too damn high!

[lovemachine]

You guys don't count. You, especially the training freak Jackson, always train.

I'm talking about the guys who think training is too expensive.

 

[the1kidd03]

I have an idea. If you don't like the price of the class, don't register for the class. Problem solved. :-)

When someone's lack in education of firearms presents a danger of them risking the safety of those around them, it's more than an individual problem. It's a community problem, because it will get used against us all in the political spectrum. So, sure he won't take that training. However, there are many others who won't either but really probably need it.

Of course, it's easier to say "your priorities aren't right."

The basic level of firearms knowledge classes, are what I have issue with in cost. When you advance beyond that, the price stays the same, or goes up I don't care much. I'll pay what I can to attend what I want and you won't here another peep out of me from it. It's a different story on the basic level however. Far too significant of social issues to ignore

 

[bwframe]

I have an idea. If you don't like the price of the class, don't register for the class. Problem solved. :-)

It's much easier to whine that you could do it cheaper, then not back up your words...

 

[Jackson]

I (apparently) sold my soul to Yeager for training.

Well, its all about priorities. Training is certainly more important than your soul. :-)

 

[VERT]

I (apparently) sold my soul to Yeager for training.

Well, its all about priorities. Training is certainly more important than your soul. :-)

So what is a soul worth these days? I have been considering liquidating some assets.

 

[the1kidd03]

It's much easier to whine that you could do it cheaper, then not back up your words...

Just like it's much easier to blame the mindset of the consumer (which you rely on in business) than it is to admit to, identify, analyze, and address what you could do better to obtain more business from them.

 

[Jackson]

When someone's lack in education of firearms presents a danger of them risking the safety of those around them, it's more than an individual problem. It's a community problem, because it will get used against us all in the political spectrum. So, sure he won't take that training. However, there are many others who won't either but really probably need it.

Of course, it's easier to say "your priorities aren't right."

If someone is motivated to take training and genuinely cannot afford it, they are motivated enough to find free safety information (and I wonder how they afforded the gun in the first place). They are motivated enough to find all the free information on the internet. They are motivated to post up here in the T&T forum and ask someone to take them to the range for free. If someone came in here and said they were in dire need of basic firearm instruction, but had zero dollars to pay for it, there would be three pages of offers to take them to the range the same day. Lets not pretend like there are no affordable resources for understanding the safe operation of a firearm.

 

[Jackson]

So what is a soul worth these days? I have been considering liquidating some assets.

Apparently its worth two days of training at Tactical Response, and a stay in the team room. Now, its possible esrice got some side benefits that he didn't mention in the AAR. I can't say.

 

[BravoMike]

Not all trainers use, nor are they required to use the NRA website. It's an available option to them to help them reach a wider audience. VERT is an example of an exception where he's already stated he charges less. IDK if he uses their site or not however. I have nothing against someone trying to make money. I just disagree that the most basic level of gun education is the field to do that because it entails such a high risk/potential reward for our community as a whole. I've got nothing against those that do, that's their choice. I just don't do the same myself.

I've take new shooters to the range almost regularly. That's not what I would call a class, although I give them no different level of instruction or help as I would anyone else. I am around and intentionally put myself around those who are new to firearms or not exactly gun friendly all the time. I do this for specific reasons, but it also has given me countless opportunities to take newbies to the range to get a different perspective on guns. I've met very few people whose mind I cannot change for the better on guns and gun rights, IF given enough time to communicate with them. That is essentially, why I do what I do.

I have a career that I enjoy and am good at. Much of what I bring up here is derived from that experience/education. That is where I make my income and I have no interest in making it from gun training.

I am glad that you take time to introduce new shooters to firearms and that you are so devoted to this. However, I don't see that lowering the cost of a basic pistol class will get more people enrolled in more training or even get more people into firearms. Do you think training should be required by the State when people get a gun? I think the only thing that will happen there is that you will get mostly people who have to be there and not WANT to be there. I believe that is the root of the "problem" and unless someone is motivated and perceive training as a good thing, will they come. Like some have pointed out, there are "cheaper" training options for those who don't want to pay as much, (PD's offering "free" classes aren't really "free" of course) but you do have to go looking for those.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), the "shutter bugs" aren't at risk of losing their "shutters" because people buy them without knowing anything and pose risk of harm to others with them. Hence, why basic training is so important for everyone to have....but.....apparently, only if you can afford it.

I was really just being a wise-butt when posting that, but what I typed above is what I still think holds true.

 

[VERT]

When someone's lack in education of firearms presents a danger of them risking the safety of those around them, it's more than an individual problem. It's a community problem, because it will get used against us all in the political spectrum. So, sure he won't take that training. However, there are many others who won't either but really probably need it.

Of course, it's easier to say "your priorities aren't right."

The basic level of firearms knowledge classes, are what I have issue with in cost. When you advance beyond that, the price stays the same, or goes up I don't care much. I'll pay what I can to attend what I want and you won't here another peep out of me from it. It's a different story on the basic level however. Far too significant of social issues to ignore

I actually agree with you in principal. The problem is people won't take the class even if it were free. Plus I am not sure it would make a difference. People take a class to drive a car and still crash into things. Plus there are some people who are not ....... Well ....... Uhmmmm ......... Well they are freaking stupid!

 

[CB45]

It's much easier to whine that you could do it cheaper, then not back up your words...

I just question the costs of a *basic* class. I got an answer, so my trolling has stopped. Now I'm being trolled

 

[iChokePeople]

When someone's lack in education of firearms presents a danger of them risking the safety of those around them, it's more than an individual problem. It's a community problem, because it will get used against us all in the political spectrum. So, sure he won't take that training. However, there are many others who won't either but really probably need it.

Of course, it's easier to say "your priorities aren't right."

The basic level of firearms knowledge classes, are what I have issue with in cost. When you advance beyond that, the price stays the same, or goes up I don't care much. I'll pay what I can to attend what I want and you won't here another peep out of me from it. It's a different story on the basic level however. Far too significant of social issues to ignore

Aaah... Like health care.

 

[the1kidd03]

If someone is motivated to take training and genuinely cannot afford it, they are motivated enough to find free safety information (and I wonder how they afforded the gun in the first place). They are motivated enough to find all the free information on the internet. They are motivated to post up here in the T&T forum and ask someone to take them to the range for free. If someone came in here and said they were in dire need of basic firearm instruction, but had zero dollars to pay for it, there would be three pages of offers to take them to the range the same day. Lets not pretend like there are no affordable resources for understanding the safe operation of a firearm.

I never suggested there wasn't. However, you're assuming such a person would be motivated to go the that level of effort in searching and/or that they would even think to look for/find places such as INGO.

 

[lovemachine]

Apparently its worth two days of training at Tactical Response, and a stay in the team room. Now, its possible esrice got some side benefits that he didn't mention in the AAR. I can't say.

LOL

 

[VERT]

Apparently its worth two days of training at Tactical Response, and a stay in the team room. Now, its possible esrice got some side benefits that he didn't mention in the AAR. I can't say.

Sign me up! But I will skip on the side benefit part.

 

[lovemachine]

Sign me up! But I will skip on the side benefit part.

Are you sure? I bet Yeager's beard would tickle.

 

[Jackson]

Sign me up! But I will skip on the side benefit part.

You have no idea what you're missing.

 

[the1kidd03]

Aaah... Like health care.

How so? You cannot afford health care, that's "your" problem, not mine. I'm not responsible for that. It is a privilege, not a right.

However, when you screw up and it costs me my rights when I could have done something more about it beforehand...who do I have to blame.

 

[iChokePeople]

We need the affordable firearms training act.

 

[Jackson]

I never suggested there wasn't. However, you're assuming such a person would be motivated to go the that level of effort in searching and/or that they would even think to look for/find places such as INGO.

You're assuming that someone who wont go out of their way to watch YouTube or conduct an internet search will go out of his way to pay $50.00 for a basic handgun class. Hell, they probably did the internet search to find the class in the first place.