Coronovirus IV

[HoughMade]

Maybe it's not the pulling of the parent out, but the combination of pulling the parent out AND forcing the admittance of sick people.

Sure, I get it- not a fan of forced housing of COVID patients with those who are not ill. Bad idea. ....but if the family of COVID positive elderly person can't or won't take them in, something had to be done. Something better than this....but that's not exactly a easy problem to solve.

 

[drillsgt]

Wow! What cutting edge science! The headline is wrong, I believe what they determined was the filtration material worked in a lab separating mice, not that facemasks use does.

Hmm, now let's do a real study with untrained human subjects, with human itches, with beards, wanting to talk, wanting to smile, wanting to be heard, in non-sterile environments, touching their mask every sixty seconds while selecting products...

Terrible reporting. They do not even tell us the material used for filtration.

And the the study does not address serious issues from mask wear...

All in all, just some quick research to get more grant money...

Not sure the actual material but they did reference the use of 'surgical masks' but how many people have those.

 

[HoughMade]

#1- You assume that "a person" had the knowledge that infected people were being pushed into those nursing homes instead of being protected from such an event.
#2- I know that California doesn't believe that intentionally infecting people with a potentially deadly disease is wrong, but most people have more common sense and better morality. Pulling her own mother out of that situation indicates that she understood the likely effect of her decision.

#1 It is serious "head in the sand" to assume any nursing home is "safe", or even was safe when this started, regardless of policy.
#2 See post 761 above.

 

[JettaKnight]

Gen Con cancelled. Probably not surprising


https://twitter.com/Gen_Con/status/1262777493309673472?s=19

Given the lack of hygiene there, I'm not surprised.


So, far Bonnaroo is still going to happen in September. Fingers crossed.

 

[nonobaddog]

It is probably one of the stupidest things I have heard about during this whole cluster**** is to force known infected people in a building with a bunch of old vulnerable people.

 

[Ingomike]

Wow! What cutting edge science! The headline is wrong, I believe what they determined was the filtration material worked in a lab separating mice, not that facemasks use does.

Hmm, now let's do a real study with untrained human subjects, with human itches, with beards, wanting to talk, wanting to smile, wanting to be heard, in non-sterile environments, touching their mask every sixty seconds while selecting products...

Terrible reporting. They do not even tell us the material used for filtration.

And the the study does not address serious issues from mask wear...

All in all, just some quick research to get more grant money...

Huh. Exactly the same thing I was complaining about with respect to an earlier, linked article. The headline doesn't match the article, and completely mis-states the results/conclusion of the study.

I guess, unless we all want to live in cages covered by mask filter medium...

Everthing cited about human behavior was witnessed last night in a trip to the grocery, though I did fail to mention the employee struggling to breathe through the makeshift mask he had.

 

[JettaKnight]

It's really sad that we've gotten so political that medical treatments have sides.

Morning Edition had a story this morning on the problems of political interference in medical research. They expressed a lot of points that INGO has been saying. :gasp!:

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/8592...nterferes-with-recruiting-research-volunteers

 

[Phase2]

[video=youtube;PF4BzDYsXTc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4BzDYsXTc[/video]

 

[Phase2]

#1 It is serious "head in the sand" to assume any nursing home is "safe", or even was safe when this started, regardless of policy.
#2 See post 761 above.

Post 761 apparently only applies to Democrat-governed states.

A ‘Recipe for Disaster’: Dem Governors Demanded COVID-19 Patients Were Returned to Nursing Homes, Contributing to Thousands of Deaths

 

[JettaKnight]

That conservatives and liberals will react to the facts differently and believe different things are important is to be expected and I have no problem with it.

What I object to is: 1) deciding what facts you want to believe based upon whether you are a conservative, or worse yet, based upon whether a conservative or liberal is stating them and 2) that other side is comprised of evil people with evil motives. A person can be wrong, wholly, wrong and completely wrong and still not be evil. These are what results in the kind of polarization that is so damaging.

And I have to say, every time I see Whitmer's face I get a little more creeped out. Jack White doesn't have that effect on me. I think it's because she's pure evil and he's just a musician.

:sigh:

 

[JettaKnight]

This is Mr. Levine:

Want to take a guess at his political affiliation?

 

[Doug]

Morning Edition had a story this morning on the problems of political interference in medical research. They expressed a lot of points that INGO has been saying. :gasp!:

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/8592...nterferes-with-recruiting-research-volunteers

Wow!

They implied the interference is totally Trump's fault, because EVERYONE knows that if Trump is for it, it must be bad.

The question was asked, "Who wouldn't want to find a treatment?" Apparently, many people don't want to take part in a study that might prove Trump right. "Better dead than admit Trump wasn't wrong."

 

[jedi]

Antibody test was negative. I'm anti antibodies.

well you just need to go get the 'Donna now so you can get the antibodies after. See how simple.

 

[Route 45]

This is Mr. Levine:

Want to take a guess at his political affiliation?

Libertarian? Looks like he's doing whatever he wants.

 

[jedi]

Annie Glenn, widow of astronaut John Glenn, dies at 100 from coronavirus

Not to sound harsh but she was 100 well past expected life for most of us. So anything/everything can/will kill you at that age.

 

[nonobaddog]

Not to sound harsh but she was 100 well past expected life for most of us. So anything/everything can/will kill you at that age.

Especially a virus that kills old people.

 

[JettaKnight]

Wow!

They implied the interference is totally Trump's fault, because EVERYONE knows that if Trump is for it, it must be bad.

The question was asked, "Who wouldn't want to find a treatment?" Apparently, many people don't want to take part in a study that might prove Trump right. "Better dead than admit Trump wasn't wrong."

That was my take away, which doesn't mean it's Trump's fault, but those with TDS; or so I inferred. Which is what INGO has been saying.

 

[Ingomike]

Hygienic Fascism:

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-r...-the-world-into-a-safe-space-but-at-what-cost

Excellent piece!

Do not bypass this link. Excellent commentary in it.

 

[ghuns]

Libertarian? Looks like he's doing whatever he wants.

I want to, but can't argue with that logic.

 

[MCgrease08]

I have a hard time taking medical advice from any health agency that sees fit to put a mentally ill person in charge.