Coronovirus IV

[MCgrease08]

Not to sound harsh but she was 100 well past expected life for most of us. So anything/everything can/will kill you at that age.

Steven Crowder has been hammering this point for a while now. The numbers have shown pretty clearly that the population the most at risk of dying from COVID, are several years older than the average life expectancy.

As as for putting infected people into nursing homes ...

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[hoosierdoc]

#1 It is serious "head in the sand" to assume any nursing home is "safe", or even was safe when this started, regardless of policy.
#2 See post 761 above.

yep. nursing homes are not hospitals. people are there because they can't pee/poop/eat on their own and their family can't/won't handle it for them. they are not setup for enhanced PPE use.

outbreaks there are tragic but a result of how we've chosen to handle our people with functional limitations.

outbreaks in NYC are also tragic but it's mainly due to how they structured their lives to live in a city that never sleeps. just the reality that's expected when our chosen way of life is challenged by an infectious disease

we can certainly do things that make it worse though. like forcing known positives back into the facility.

 

[ghuns]

...The numbers have shown pretty clearly that the population the most at risk of dying from COVID, are several years older than the average life expectancy.

I have heard several people claim, though I can't find a source to confirm it, that the 'Rona has killed more people over 100 than under 30.

 

[HoughMade]

Stephen Crowder has been hammering this point for a while now. The numbers have shown pretty clearly that the population the most at risk of dying from COVID, are several years older than the average life expectancy.

Average life expectancy at birth? At 20? At 50? At 80?

The only one most people ever hear about is life expectancy at birth, but since one can never have a negative life expectancy, it's important to know. If the average life expectancy is 76 at birth, a person at 70 does not have a average life expectancy of 6 years. Actually, it's over 16 years for females. Even at 100 years, it's about 2.5 more years.

Now, does that affect COVID analysis?

No, but I don't see what "average life expectancy" has to do with anything. People who are killed by it should just be happy to live as long as they did? People over 76 don't matter?

All along, I have advocated isolating the truly vulnerable while having comparatively few restrictions on others, but let's be a little careful about how we deal with this issue.

 

[ghuns]

Nursing Home/LTC COVID Deaths By State

 

[Leadeye]

Having never been connected with nursing homes or people in them, are there legal rules about putting people in them? Do you have to meet some state regulated standard to care for elderly relatives at home? Are you legally obligated to put them in a nursing home if you don't meet that standard?

 

[Bartman]

Here's a personal account. My mom has been staying in a nursing home in between the stages of a 2 stage knee replacement. She finally got the go-ahead for the second surgery right before the COVID lockdown happened. No elective surgeries, no visitation. The only contact with the outside world is to have dialysis 3 times per week. The facility tested her entire wing as a precaution. 6 days ago, the day before we were going to bring her home, she tested positive for the virus. She's coping with it pretty well for being 76 years old with kidney disease.

Here's the thing, for weeks the only direct contact she has had with people has been nursing staff, EMTs, and staff at dialysis center, all using PPE. And yet the virus was still transmitted. Frankly it makes the idea of wearing a mask while grocery shopping seem pointless.

 

[HoughMade]

Having never been connected with nursing homes or people in them, are there legal rules about putting people in them? Do you have to meet some state regulated standard to care for elderly relatives at home? Are you legally obligated to put them in a nursing home if you don't meet that standard?

I would say around 99.9% are voluntary, put a better way, a family decision. The family feels that they cannot care, or are not equipped to care, or do not want to care for the elderly relative at home. Maybe .1%, possibly more, but less that 1% are people who are committed through a legal procedure. Sometimes this is where the elderly person refuses to live with a family member and is incapable of living on his or her own. Sometimes they are living with someone and there is abuse or neglect (neglect, sometime being the desire to care for the person, but the inability to do so).

Until there is a report to some official agency of abuse or neglect, the authorities are not involved in any way. There is a similar system set up for the reporting as with children.

 

[GMediC]

Here's a personal account. My mom has been staying in a nursing home in between the stages of a 2 stage knee replacement. She finally got the go-ahead for the second surgery right before the COVID lockdown happened. No elective surgeries, no visitation. The only contact with the outside world is to have dialysis 3 times per week. The facility tested her entire wing as a precaution. 6 days ago, the day before we were going to bring her home, she tested positive for the virus. She's coping with it pretty well for being 76 years old with kidney disease.

Here's the thing, for weeks the only direct contact she has had with people has been nursing staff, EMTs, and staff at dialysis center, all using PPE. And yet the virus was still transmitted. Frankly it makes the idea of wearing a mask while grocery shopping seem pointless.

Several possible factors here, but the most obvious is that life still has to go on outside of work in a healthcare facility.

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[Bartman]

To be sure. But those working in those facilities are using masks as good, or better that the ones that citizens are being encouraged to wear. If the virus can be transmitted by healthcare workers using medical grade PPE, then how effective can those same masks (or even homemade masks) be in preventing transmission of the virus to us?

 

[HoughMade]

To be sure. But those working in those facilities are using masks as good, or better that the ones that citizens are being encouraged to wear. If the virus can be transmitted by healthcare workers using medical grade PPE, then how effective can those same masks (or even homemade masks) be in preventing transmission of the virus to us?

The virus can be transmitted no matter what we do. Does that mean there is no reduction in risk with the use of preventative measures? Absolutely not, but a reduced risk is still a risk.

 

[IndyBeerman]

I have a hard time taking medical advice from any health agency that sees fit to put a mentally ill person in charge.

Especially a UGLY mentally ill person in charge as IT is.

 

[GMediC]

To be sure. But those working in those facilities are using masks as good, or better that the ones that citizens are being encouraged to wear. If the virus can be transmitted by healthcare workers using medical grade PPE, then how effective can those same masks (or even homemade masks) be in preventing transmission of the virus to us?

This would all assume that PPE is being donned and doffed appropriately, correct handwashing procedures, etc etc.

Healthcare facilities are dirty, including ambulances and dialysis centers. There is also a much higher likelihood that it was transmitted from a surface and not by droplets. I wouldnt put much thought into it, touching a surface and touching your face has a much higher liklihood of transmission than droplets.

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[JettaKnight]

The virus can be transmitted no matter what we do. Does that mean there is no reduction in risk with the use of preventative measures? Absolutely not, but a reduced risk is still a risk.

It's like people don't understand the concept of risk mitigation.




Granted, I'm a systems engineer, but I thought this stuff was just common sense.

 

[Alpo]

If common sense was common, we wouldn't have to use it as an adjective very often.

 

[OurDee]

It's like people don't understand the concept of risk mitigation.




Granted, I'm a systems engineer, but I thought this stuff was just common sense.

Common sense is not.

 

[jamil]

Uh. Yes. It is. The sense that is common is literally common. That's a tautology. It's wisdom that is not common.

 

[T.Lex]

Uh. Yes. It is. The sense that is common is literally common. That's a tautology. It's wisdom that is not common.

Rare references to tautology are uncommon.

 

[jamil]

Rare references to tautology are uncommon.

Common sense is common. Uncommon facts are uncommon.

 

[Alpo]

Uh. Yes. It is. The sense that is common is literally common. That's a tautology. It's wisdom that is not common.

Actually, it's not a tautology. It is an adjective and not redundant to the noun. There are other types of sense.