Coronovirus IV

[CindyE]

That's not what I said.

It may have been "here" in the US. The earliest reported confirmed death is now in January in California, I believe, but she died of something that takes weeks to kill the patient. She had traceable exposure to people from China.

That's very different from some random (but important to INGO) Hoosier.

No, I meant here in Indiana. We may never know for sure.

 

[churchmouse]

Fair 'nuff.

But if your doctor was serious about "even money," then I'm wondering what inside knowledge he has about this epidemic.

In all of this madness do you think we the Sheeple are given the true info. Seriously. The CDC has been caught fudging the numbers. The local news stations are riding this wave to ratings and revenue. The MSM is beating this drum as hard and loud as they can and they have been caught fudging as well. So much Info flying around who knows what is what. And WITAF knows when this really hit here unless they know exactly when it escaped the lab in China. If that is even real.

Yes I knew the 1st related death in Indiana. I grew up with her. Her health was so poor about anything that came along would have taken her poor thing. We have friends that have survived this. Ask them about it and they say the same thing I did. It sucks but I am here.
All I know is what I had fits neatly into this box. And my Doc is pretty honest with me about the stupidity we are enduring right now. He has been straight with me since I have met him. Or I would have kicked his butt to the curb like the last 2 pill pushers we suffered through. We as a family have been subjected to some real idiocy from the medical community and we see stupid and recognize it pretty fast.

You all believe what you will. And make yourselves as safe as you feel the need but step off of me. Stuff the mask and move along. Lets get this show back up on the rails and moving. Join in if you want. Or hide in the basement if you feel the need.

Those who want a socialist form of Gov. have now realized how easily we can be manipulated. They bought us off for $1200 and an extras $600 a week to sit on our asses and drink the MSM koolaide 24/7. This is merely a dress rehearsal.

 

[MCgrease08]

New numbers from a random sampling show that ~ 45% of all infected Hoosiers showed no symptoms. But ... the total infection rate of those tested was still under 3%.

INDIANAPOLIS – For the first time, the state has given Hoosiers a look at a statistical analysis of the prevalence of COVID-19 in Indiana.

During Wednesday’s briefing, Dr. Paul Halverson and Dr. Nir Menachemi from the Fairbanks School of Public Health at IUPUI discussed the preliminary results of the study. The school partnered with the Indiana State Department of Health for random testing of about 4,600 Hoosiers.

Halverson said the random testing can help the state understand the scope of COVID-19 in Indiana without testing everyone, which is impractical.

The results are preliminary, Menachemi emphasized. The testing, which will include four waves, conducted the first wave between April 25 and May 1.

The results were then examined and the results interpolated to reflect trends for the whole state.

According to the results, 1.7% tested positive for COVID-19. Another 1.1% tested positive for antibodies, meaning they had contracted the coronavirus at some point.

The study projected the prominence of COVID-19 among the general population at 2.8%–that would be an estimated 186,000 Hoosiers. In that same time frame, the state was aware of only 17,000 cases.

Menachemi said that meant only 1 out of every 11 true infections was reflected in state testing during that period.

https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/...o-give-update-on-covid-19-efforts-in-indiana/

Many, many more people have had it than what the current confirmed case numbers show, but that less than 3% number leads me to believe far fewer have had it than the number of people who think they did, myself included.

I did make an appointment for the anti-body testing through LabCorp. For $10, why not?

We shall see what comes back.

 

[Ziggidy]

I throw the coronavirus crap in the same waste can as the climate change crap.

 

[T.Lex]

No, I meant here in Indiana. We may never know for sure.

Yeah, Patient Zero in the US or Indiana may be tricky. I'm thinking that bio conference in Boston was probably the path for it to come here in a meaningful way.

Point being, this thing doesn't just show up somewhere random. There's an interaction that passes it from one person to the next. Without at least something pointing to an interaction, then the chance - here in Indiana before it was a hotspot - is a number approaching zero.

Now, if any particular person interacted with an infected person or someone exposed to that infected person, then the chance goes up of getting it. Starting with the date of that interaction.

 

[Ziggidy]

I have learned something about INGO and all the experts that frequent this forum. I can forgo my doctor visits, accountant meetings, lawyer concerns and so much more by just visiting here. I have never been with such a group of experts, in everything, in all my life. What's cool, is the different hats that are shared by many of the same individuals! ASTONISHING, simply astonishing.

 

[Ziggidy]

I did make an appointment for the anti-body testing through LabCorp. For $10, why not?

We shall see what comes back.

What will that tell you and how will you use that info? Just curious.

 

[T.Lex]

I have learned something about INGO and all the experts that frequent this forum. I can forgo my doctor visits, accountant meetings, lawyer concerns and so much more by just visiting here. I have never been with such a group of experts, in everything, in all my life. What's cool, is the different hats that are shared by many of the same individuals! ASTONISHING, simply astonishing.

Well, if you learned on INGO that the coronavirus pandemic is the same as climate change, then you don't need a doctor, accountant, lawyer, or anyone else because you already have it all figured out.

 

[d.kaufman]

In all of this madness do you think we the Sheeple are given the true info. Seriously. The CDC has been caught fudging the numbers. The local news stations are riding this wave to ratings and revenue. The MSM is beating this drum as hard and loud as they can and they have been caught fudging as well. So much Info flying around who knows what is what. And WITAF knows when this really hit here unless they know exactly when it escaped the lab in China. If that is even real.

Yes I knew the 1st related death in Indiana. I grew up with her. Her health was so poor about anything that came along would have taken her poor thing. We have friends that have survived this. Ask them about it and they say the same thing I did. It sucks but I am here.
All I know is what I had fits neatly into this box. And my Doc is pretty honest with me about the stupidity we are enduring right now. He has been straight with me since I have met him. Or I would have kicked his butt to the curb like the last 2 pill pushers we suffered through. We as a family have been subjected to some real idiocy from the medical community and we see stupid and recognize it pretty fast.

You all believe what you will. And make yourselves as safe as you feel the need but step off of me. Stuff the mask and move along. Lets get this show back up on the rails and moving. Join in if you want. Or hide in the basement if you feel the need.

Those who want a socialist form of Gov. have now realized how easily we can be manipulated. They bought us off for $1200 and an extras $600 a week to sit on our asses and drink the MSM koolaide 24/7. This is merely a dress rehearsal.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to churchmouse again.

 

[Ingomike]

It was late November because I sat out Turkey day due to being sick. It was as sick as I have ever been with the flu but being me I did not suspect anything past the usual crap the terrorists would bring home from the local Petri dish. I carried over into December as I remember. Took a while to get my boiler back up to full steam.

To those doubting this, keep in mind that they are just beginning to look at who may have had this crap. Saw Ohio has now adjusted their date back due to testing of samples of those sick earlier. This has already happened several times in other states. I would expect this to continue. A UK epidemiologist has looked at the spread and believes it likely started in September.

Our shared adages, follow the money and follow the power are in play...

 

[Ingomike]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to churchmouse again.

Same for me...

 

[Mark-DuCo]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to churchmouse again.

I got him

 

[MCgrease08]

What will that tell you and how will you use that info? Just curious.

My understanding is that presence of antibodies means there is a high likelihood of having been exposed to the virus. Not sure it will change my behavior too much, but it might make my older parents feel more comfortable about having me over to visit.

 

[drillsgt]

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1260281079732166656

Those graphs are interesting and not entirely unexpected with the strains in WA and CA, for it's size WA has a huge Asian population as does neighboring Vancouver. I've wondered what impact international Chinese students might have had but I can't find any data, nor do I suspect colleges would want there to be as they bring in billions of dollars. I saw one survey that was looking at the impact covid travel restrictions had on asian students (about 350000 in the US) most colleges reported the effect was very little as most had returned after holiday break before the restrictions went into effect.

 

[nonobaddog]

New numbers from a random sampling show that ~ 45% of all infected Hoosiers showed no symptoms. But ... the total infection rate of those tested was still under 3%.



https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/...o-give-update-on-covid-19-efforts-in-indiana/

Many, many more people have had it than what the current confirmed case numbers show, but that less than 3% number leads me to believe far fewer have had it than the number of people who think they did, myself included.

I did make an appointment for the anti-body testing through LabCorp. For $10, why not?

We shall see what comes back.

Please find out exactly what test they use and let us know.

 

[CindyE]

Yeah, Patient Zero in the US or Indiana may be tricky. I'm thinking that bio conference in Boston was probably the path for it to come here in a meaningful way.

Point being, this thing doesn't just show up somewhere random. There's an interaction that passes it from one person to the next. Without at least something pointing to an interaction, then the chance - here in Indiana before it was a hotspot - is a number approaching zero.

Now, if any particular person interacted with an infected person or someone exposed to that infected person, then the chance goes up of getting it. Starting with the date of that interaction.

There's lots of manufacturing and other industries in Indiana. I know we had visitors from California in our factory earlier this year, and probably before. We have sales reps that travel, product shipped from all over, including China. I have friends who have exchange students from China, and sometimes their families visit. I just don't think the chances are all that close to 0. It's just my opinion and what I believe, worth exactly what I'm charging for it.

 

[BugI02]

It’s not that they don’t have numbers. They have some numbers. And then they pump those into their models which produces other numbers. So numbers beget more numbers.

And that worked so well for [STRIKE]global cooling[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]global warming[/STRIKE] climate change

 

[MCgrease08]

There's lots of manufacturing and other industries in Indiana. I know we had visitors from California in our factory earlier this year, and probably before. We have sales reps that travel, product shipped from all over, including China. I have friends who have exchange students from China, and sometimes their families visit. I just don't think the chances are all that close to 0. It's just my opinion and what I believe, worth exactly what I'm charging for it.

My company has manufacturing sites in Wuhan.

 

[BugI02]

Last Fall? No chance.

It would be the earliest recorded patient. Here. In Indiana. It would completely upend our understanding of coronaviruses. And unless he had some interaction with bats and Wuhan China, there would be no path for it to skip out of Indiana to Wuhan where it infected a (literally) unknowable total of people, with a compelling mortality rate (whatever the number is). In a patient with admitted vulnerabilities to it.

I do not "know." Yet, I'm still saying no chance. And I'm very interested in the results, as I was with my other friends who went through the process who actually had a reasonable chance of having it.

I can think of an alternative possibility

The cell phone data showing widespread shutdowns around the WuHan level IV lab in October are correct

The information that there are two strains of WuVid 19 circulating, one more transmissable but less virulent and the second less transmissable but deadlier, is correct

The October shutdowns in Wuhan were to try to get the outbreak under control, they were the less virulent strain and the judgement was made by the ChiComs that the situation wasn't that serious- just a bad flu

Travel patterns between China and the World were substantially similar in October to what was seen in January

The deadlier strain took hold in Wuhan and they realized they had a problem, but by then the less virulent strain was already established and widespread in the US and largely indistinguishable from the ongoing flu season

People in the US could easily have gotten infected with the less virulent strain of WuVid 19 in November. I too will be interested in the results of widespread antibody testing and whether the numbers of infected will intimate that patient zero must have occurred much earlier

 

[T.Lex]

There's lots of manufacturing and other industries in Indiana. I know we had visitors from California in our factory earlier this year, and probably before. We have sales reps that travel, product shipped from all over, including China. I have friends who have exchange students from China, and sometimes their families visit. I just don't think the chances are all that close to 0. It's just my opinion and what I believe, worth exactly what I'm charging for it.

My company has manufacturing sites in Wuhan.

I would say both of you have a higher chance than the subject at issue. And less of a chance than some of my friends who tested negative.