Coronovirus III

[drillsgt]

For me the stay at home order is simply something done to give hope and prevent a societal collapse. Hope in the form of time. Hope they can find an effective therapy or vaccine that will save us from this. It may be sold as flattening the curve but really what that term means is having longer to put bodies in the ground(less an effective therapy or vaccine).

At this point it is unlikely that you will not get this. Staying home does not prevent you from getting it, it lowers your odds and buys hope. It also buys a bit of time to figure out things like can you catch this more than once.Which is likely at this point given studies in South Korea,Germany,Japan,all have had such cases.

How fatal is it? What long term health effects are we going to see?

I think the government knows more than we are being told. Classified briefing followed by congress members selling all their stock(illegally) and then all of congress going on an unscheduled vacation out of "an abundance of caution". Not buying that.

If we had the same information would people push to go back to work or ask to stay home?

More fear mongering.

 

[JettaKnight]

More fear mongering.

Are you simply saying that because you like the results, or have you found something in the studies?

 

[T.Lex]

More fear mongering.

My purple filter is askew today, so I'm REALLY not sure what to do with this.

 

[chipbennett]

What did he say about the virus that was wrong? I'm curious.

One can be against the shutdowns and still get the disease.

Uncomfortable point people don't seem to want to talk about: unless there is a vaccine soon, millions of more people will have to get the virus before we can stop living out lives primarily centered around the virus. Some will die.

Exactly. I've been pretty vocal about my policy disagreements. But at the same time, I've taken all appropriate precautions to avoid getting (or spreading) the virus. Would it be ironic if I were to get it (and possibly die)? And if so, would it be ironic because of my stated policy positions, or because of the precautions I have taken?

 

[HoughMade]

At this point it is unlikely that you will not get this. Staying home does not prevent you from getting it, it lowers your odds and buys hope. It also buys a bit of time to figure out things like can you catch this more than once.Which is likely at this point given studies in South Korea,Germany,Japan,all have had such cases.

How fatal is it? What long term health effects are we going to see?...

The "more than once" thing is all of these: possible, anecdotal, needs more study. However it leaves out the part (which is also all of those things) about the vast majority of people not yet being reinfected and whether antibodies left behind effect the severity of later infections.

Other than those caveats, I agree that most people will get it eventually and I would add that they NEED to get it for the reasons I stated above. As always, an effective vaccine would be the true "game changer".

 

[Route 45]

I’m still working full time and at home. I’m very vocal about this being a bunch of horse ****. I’m sick of this lock down.
I have been arguing about this with my parents. Both over 60. Dad is in very poor health for his age and mom is is getting there. Both spent years smoking and have lung problems. Dad is a logger and still making money. Mom has a day care and is being paid by the state to stay closed. Both say us youngsters are trying to kill them by Going to work. My thing is I refuse to accept that my wife and kids should be punished and lose our way of life as well as civil liberties because they smoked 3 packs a day for 40+ years. They think I should be laid off but they should be able to run around and not be hindered by the young people. This whole thing will cause problems between families all over.

I bet your Thanksgivings are a blast.

 

[smokingman]

More fear mongering.

It is not fear mongering. It is a legitimate question. One the CDC is looking at. It is less a question of if it happens,but why it happens now.

They are looking at rather or not you can recover from this and have developed no antibodies. Of course poor test performance is also being looked at as plausible.

It happens. Recovered people test positive again in the hundreds weeks after they recovered. So saying it is fear mongering shows ignorance.

Me I want to know why it is happening,not deny that it is.

 

[CampingJosh]

When government contributes more to GDP than anything else you have a broken system.
We had that in Q4 of 2019 officially. https://www.bea.gov/system/files/gdpind419-chart-01_0.png​

That chart shows percent change, not overall contribution.

 

[Ingomike]

For me the stay at home order is simply something done to give hope and prevent a societal collapse. Hope in the form of time. Hope they can find an effective therapy or vaccine that will save us from this. It may be sold as flattening the curve but really what that term means is having longer to put bodies in the ground(less an effective therapy or vaccine).

At this point it is unlikely that you will not get this. Staying home does not prevent you from getting it, it lowers your odds and buys hope. It also buys a bit of time to figure out things like can you catch this more than once.Which is likely at this point given studies in South Korea,Germany,Japan,all have had such cases.

How fatal is it? What long term health effects are we going to see?

I think the government knows more than we are being told. Classified briefing followed by congress members selling all their stock(illegally) and then all of congress going on an unscheduled vacation out of "an abundance of caution". Not buying that.

If we had the same information would people push to go back to work or ask to stay home?

Life must go on, no matter the "information". Staying at home does not change the virus, it is real, it is here, and we don't know dudley squat about it. How long do you think we can survive on what we have without serious production? Risk is everywhere, the risk today is no more than last year, we just know it's coming now.

 

[smokingman]

That chart shows percent change, not overall contribution.

Total Government Spending in the United States Federal, State, and Local Fiscal Year 2020
Government Pensions	7% GDP
All Other Spending	+ 9% GDP
Total Government Spending	37% GDP
Federal Deficit	+ 5% GDP

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/percent_gdp

or 42% of US GDP

 

[dudley0]

Life must go on, no matter the "information". Staying at home does not change the virus, it is real, it is here, and we don't know dudley squat about it. How long do you think we can survive on what we have without serious production? Risk is everywhere, the risk today is no more than last year, we just know it's coming now.

Hey now, just because I don't know much about it doesn't mean you can poke fun at me...

 

[nonobaddog]

Life must go on, no matter the "information". Staying at home does not change the virus, it is real, it is here, and we don't know dudley squat about it. How long do you think we can survive on what we have without serious production? Risk is everywhere, the risk today is no more than last year, we just know it's coming now.

Not sure how you can say that. The risk to me is definitely greater than last year.

 

[jkfletcher]

I am still working and being paid. I'm for at least lessening the shut down. Just because I'm working now doesn't guarantee that will continue.

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, there is a new risk. Whether that means "more" risk is a subjective, I guess.

There's 1 more thing to worry about, but that risk is mitigated in pretty much the same way as other contagions.

 

[smokingman]

Life must go on, no matter the "information". Staying at home does not change the virus, it is real, it is here, and we don't know dudley squat about it. How long do you think we can survive on what we have without serious production? Risk is everywhere, the risk today is no more than last year, we just know it's coming now.

Staying at home buys time for science and hope. That is all it does. I disagree about the risk being the same as last year.

I do not think most understand it is not just us. You can say restart the economy all you want,but to do that we need things we outsourced to be made and brought here(for manufacturing of most anything).
We screwed ourselves exporting so much. Heck the pentagon is putting pressure on Mexico to keep manufacturing DOD essentials at the moment(yes we outsourced many DOD contracts to Mexico).
https://www.defenseone.com/business...sed-factories-supply-us-weapon-makers/164756/

So it is not as simple as saying restart our economy.

 

[JettaKnight]

Exactly. I've been pretty vocal about my policy disagreements. But at the same time, I've taken all appropriate precautions to avoid getting (or spreading) the virus. Would it be ironic if I were to get it (and possibly die)? And if so, would it be ironic because of my stated policy positions, or because of the precautions I have taken?

There's a difference between saying, "Hey, I don't think this is the right way to do this." and "F This! It's all a gubermint plot to ruin the economy and make us socialist! Mye Rites are being infringed! Wake up sheeple!"


Assuming the image wasn't doctored, the man shown here said, "...Covid-19 is a Political Ploy..."


There's a difference between you, who says, "This is serious, let's have a serious conversation." And a woman that simply claims it's a hoax, and then is obviously a false flag death and is safe in some govt bunker.


Simply posting on social media a blurb like, "more fear mongering" will likely earn you a Nelson's laugh should you die.

 

[Ingomike]

Not sure how you can say that. The risk to me is definitely greater than last year.

It is here now. Puny humans and their brief lives, in the scope of the planet, cannot change that it is here. That is done. Likely nothing you can do to not get it in some way and deal with it. It is like we won a pandemic lottery and the odds are just the same as before to win again...

 

[CampingJosh]

Total Government Spending in the United States Federal, State, and Local Fiscal Year 2020
Government Pensions	7% GDP
All Other Spending	+ 9% GDP
Total Government Spending	37% GDP
Federal Deficit	+ 5% GDP

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/percent_gdp

or 42% of US GDP

Your new link shows 36.6% of all GDP is government spending.

I agree this isn't good, but your chart of percent change doesn't support your claim that government contributes more to GDP than the private sector. (And that may not what you were trying to say, but I think that is a fair reading of what you posted.)

 

[T.Lex]

Didn't see it mentioned (but could easily have missed it) that IHME updated yesterday. I think this would be the first update that takes into account the "correction" of historic deaths.

Total deaths by 8/4 would be about 66k, with us hitting about 60k by early May, and 65k by June 1.

The unfrozen caveman modeling is roughly the same through May 1 (63k).

This doesn't take into account any rebound of the virus as things open up, obviously. It does offer optimism about our efforts to control the pandemic.

 

[nonobaddog]

It is here now. Puny humans and their brief lives, in the scope of the planet, cannot change that it is here. That is done. Likely nothing you can do to not get it in some way and deal with it. It is like we won a pandemic lottery and the odds are just the same as before to win again...

Last year on my home planet I could go inside a grocery store and get what I wanted and I could go to hockey games - all without wearing masks and gloves and risking my life to do it.
This year there is more risk because there is a new chinese virus ADDED onto all the risks there were before.