Coronovirus III

[HoughMade]

What most of the epidemiologists call for (and it makes sense to me) is to have approximately double the testing capacity that we have now so we can do faster testing and contact tracing/notification.

I would also like to see better PPE supplies but I think those are at least gradually improving. Doctors and nurses are sometimes wearing the same N95 mask for an entire week when they should sometimes have several per shift (or at least 1 per shift depending if they are moving between patients). This would also make it possibly safer for anyone else who gets elective procedures.

To combine those 2 ideas: there is a saliva test showing promise. So that would not only make testing easier and faster, but you don't use PPE gear administering the test.

Having said that, I am not opposed to gradually changing what we do and closely monitoring the progress.

More and faster testing does not resolve the 14 day latency. Testing every single person is not possible. Contact tracing? Pipe dream.

Untenable.

People will continue to contract this and no set of circumstances will change that. The vast majority will not suffer significant effects and the vast majority of those that do will not die. Those who are vulnerable can stay isolated.

 

[OurDee]

I just pretended it was basic all over. Flipped the clippers over and went for broke. You guys sound like you need the salon to open back up.

 

[dusty88]

More and faster testing does not resolve the 14 day latency. Testing every single person is not possible. Contact tracing? Pipe dream.

Untenable.

People will continue to contract this and no set of circumstances will change that. The vast majority will not suffer significant effects and the vast majority of those that do will not die.

Contact tracing for this virus will not eliminate it at this point. It will, however, likely reduce the transmission and it will reduce the likelihood of it creeping into nursing homes and healthcare facilities.

Here is another example of benefits of slowing the spread. Remdesivir has shown mixed results, depending how and when it is used. It may reduce the severity a bit if given at the right time. As Dr Fauci points out, that's a positive step towards better treatments coming along in time. You may be much better off if you get this virus later, rather than sooner.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/dr-...navirus-drug-trial-shows-quite-good-news.html

 

[bobzilla]

Most of my coworkers are working from home. It’s not an option for me due to the extremely poor internet TDS provides us. That and since I also do microscope work that’s not something that can be done from my house so I’d have to go at least 2 times a week.

wife has been teaching from home mostly off her iPhone (again internet sucks). So we haven’t had any interruption of pay. We both feel it’s time to get **** open again.

Percentages are a fun thing. Staying home or opening up doesn’t change them. The same percentage of people will die from it and if it’s as contagious and transferable as they seem to think we will all eventually get it anyway.

more importantly to me is I am sick and tired of big brother deciding what I can and cannot do. Period. Full stop. Many disagree and I appreciate your viewpoint but I will not share it. I’m the never-trumper of govt intrusion.

 

[HoughMade]

Contact tracing for this virus will not eliminate it at this point. It will, however, likely reduce the transmission and it will reduce the likelihood of it creeping into nursing homes and healthcare facilities.

Here is another example of benefits of slowing the spread. Remdesivir has shown mixed results, depending how and when it is used. It may reduce the severity a bit if given at the right time. As Dr Fauci points out, that's a positive step towards better treatments coming along in time

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/dr-...navirus-drug-trial-shows-quite-good-news.html

So how long?

 

[KMaC]

Interesting turn taken by Andrew Cuomo. He has been in a running snipe battle with Trump through this whole pandemic.
Yesterday he took a hard left turn (pun intended) and criticized everyone else. He took swipes at WHO, CDC, NY Times, China. In other words, everyone that Trump has complained about.
He feels picked on and says that governors are not the people responsible for monitoring world health trends.

I would post a link but the article is in NY Times and behind a pay wall. Pretty sure INGO won't pay NY Times to read about Cuomo.

 

[dusty88]

So how long?

How long what?

 

[Kdf101]

Test, trace, compile spreadsheets, I don’t care. What I do care about is just what Houghmade said, the vast majority will be fine. Time to move on.

 

[Alpo]

Run your fingers through your hair on top. Cut anything that sticks up above the top of your fingers. It actually works pretty well if you have a decent eye for symmetry.

I'd recommend doing the top first then fade in the sides and back.

And then there was the particle physicist, who lectured on super-symmetry.....and ended up losing the top of an ear whilst snipping his locks.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

And then there was the particle physicist, who lectured on super-symmetry.....and ended up losing the top of an ear whilst snipping his locks.

Maybe Van Gogh was just trying to cut his own hair...

 

[smokingman]

Third study finds vitamin D deficiency in covid-19 patients.



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1

 

[Ingomike]

Contact tracing for this virus will not eliminate it at this point. It will, however, likely reduce the transmission and it will reduce the likelihood of it creeping into nursing homes and healthcare facilities.

Here is another example of benefits of slowing the spread. Remdesivir has shown mixed results, depending how and when it is used. It may reduce the severity a bit if given at the right time. As Dr Fauci points out, that's a positive step towards better treatments coming along in time. You may be much better off if you get this virus later, rather than sooner.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/dr-...navirus-drug-trial-shows-quite-good-news.html

I smell rats in that post. Fauci has involvement in remdesivir and it is on patent may have financial interests as well. Fauci was very against the hydrochloroquine and it has few defenders other than doctors who prescribe it because it is off patent and cheap. Would love to see an American billionaire fund a head to head proper study and see which is best and best for the money...

Transmission will be transmission, there is no reducing, only delaying. Other doctors have said delaying herd immunity may cause more deaths in the long run...

The unvarnished truth is even the best and brightest have no sure idea what to do but the media is scaring folks into thinking staying home is the right thing...

 

[dusty88]

Transmission will be transmission, there is no reducing, only delaying. Other doctors have said delaying herd immunity may cause more deaths in the long run...

Reducing transmission RATE is perhaps what I should have said but yes, that reduces total infected unless we never get a vaccine.

Herd immunity reached too rapidly will cause overshoot (ie the disease is still transmitting rapidly as it approaches herd immunity) though I can certainly understand the desire for herd immunity in a disease that is expected to be widespread.


Again, one significant benefit of delay is identifying and finding and confirming better treatments. It doesn't matter whether you believe a lifetime infectious disease specialist like Fauci or not; he's not even doing the studies just commenting on them.

The point is that it's very likely treatment will be improved.

I don't personally claim to know the ideal timeline for different measures. But I do see benefit of postponing increased activity.

I also understand the obvious benefits of getting on with life, so to speak, though those are not free from economic and psychological risk.

 

[jedi]

Third study finds vitamin D deficiency in covid-19 patients.



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1

That is like everyone in NWI!! Heck the greater Chicagoland area and I suspect most of Northern IL and IN.

 

[Vigilant]

Can we take a poll , those that want to cower in place making money, vs. those that aren’t afraid and NEEED to make money? I’ve been all over 4 counties everyday since this has kicked off. I now KNOW 1 person who has contracted it, he was doing much the same as me, but got sick with a kidney infection, and I BELIEVE, contracted China Flu because he had to be hospitalized. I’ve come into contact with MANY people over the last month and a half, guess what, NO China Flu? I believe this will be the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind in the end. If the number of people croaking from it doesn’t fit the narrative, they change the standards, now everyone that dies is China Flu causal. Monty Python said “throw out your dead”, well, I’m not dead. Are you that cower and accept the line going to make sure I die of China Flu, to fit the narrative?

 

[smokingman]

Can we take a poll , those that want to cower in place making money, vs. those that aren’t afraid and NEEED to make money? I’ve been all over 4 counties everyday since this has kicked off. I now KNOW 1 person who has contracted it, he was doing much the same as me, but got sick with a kidney infection, and I BELIEVE, contracted China Flu because he had to be hospitalized. I’ve come into contact with MANY people over the last month and a half, guess what, NO China Flu? I believe this will be the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind in the end. If the number of people croaking from it doesn’t fit the narrative, they change the standards, now everyone that dies is China Flu causal. Monty Python said “throw out your dead”, well, I’m not dead. Are you that cower and accept the line going to make sure I die of China Flu, to fit the narrative?

If that where true the CDC would not have taken down the excess deaths page that showed most of the USA having 30-60% more deaths for the last two months vs the average of the last 5 years(they had it broken down to individual counties not just states).

This one. https://wwwdev.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

New York Times put up a few of the charts though.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html


I was wrong. They did not take it down,just revised it from the original dev stage to a final public one.Still shows daily deaths spike by 10-21k above daily averages. Removed county and state level data and all but one chart.
Here is the link.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

[Ingomike]

My buddy who works at CVS said that we get 120% of our meds from China.

I have been looking into this further, (this being a Lilly scientist said China is some way involved in 80% of our medicines).

It is clear that there is no source for a definitive answer. Author Rosemary Gibson has been researching this issue and testified before congress. The testimony at the link.

https://energycommerce.house.gov/si...les/documents/Testimony-Gibson-API_103019.pdf

Reason has an article on why not to believe her, but for me it falls short. It just confirms that that no official US department has the number we are discussing.

https://reason.com/2020/04/06/why-y...80-percent-of-americas-drugs-come-from-china/

It seems to me Ms.Gibson put in some shoe leather reporting by interviewing experts in the field of drugs and came up with that 80% number. It is certainly fair to debate it but there is no definitive answer so someone in the field giving an opinion is not wrong as was stated when I posted it.

 

[Sigblitz]

A bird told me bars may open Saturday with 10 person limit. I was invited to patronize, but no.

 

[Ingomike]

Third study finds vitamin D deficiency in covid-19 patients.



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1

Vitamin D is very critical to your health so I am not surprised. It has been linked in repeated studies to higher cancer rates in the northern parts of the country vs the southern parts where V-D levels are naturally higher due to more sun exposure.

 

[Ingomike]

If that where true the CDC would not have taken down the excess deaths page that showed most of the USA having 30-60% more deaths for the last two months vs the average of the last 5 years(they had it broken down to individual counties not just states).

This one. https://wwwdev.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

New York Times put up a few of the charts though.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html

So wouldn't we have all the deaths of the past and C-19 deaths added to that and thereby expect an increase? No one is saying C-19 does not kill some people, just like all the reasons folks die in the past it is a new category adding to the total, but none of those others, including flu, were cause for the complete devastation of our economy and way of life.