Cops Arrest Girl For Possession Of Water And Ice Cream

[jbombelli]

exactly, they will just add a line or two to the dept. SOP and call it a day. Even then, just because somebody gets $$$ does not mean the dept. thinks they did anything wrong, they might change nothing, and somebody walks away with $40 millin in taxpayer money, not the ABC's money. Im glad some of the INGOlibbers are not in charge of our national fiscal policy. While I agree we waste alot of money on stupid stuff, writing million dollar checks to people because a cop looked at them "crosswayz" is a joke.

Is that what's happening here in this case?

 

[mrjarrell]

how can it "really hurt"? It's not like it's a business or anything? It's taxpayer money, not their own money that is getting paid out. They will just raise/create more taxes and everybody loses.

While I'd much rather see the money come from pension funds I'll take what we can get. At the $40 million level, someone will lose their jobs and that's about the best we can hope for. If enough taxpayer money gets diverted that's money they can't spend on harassing innocent people.

 

[drillsgt]

Maybe cops should have to purchase and maintain law enforcement malpractice insurance?

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

It's a government agency. The payout has to be made to really hurt, otherwise they learn absolutely nothing. A few grand is chump change to people like that.

Yeah, I don't think that a 40M fine is going to teach any govt agency anything. Like others have said, govt agencies aren't like private business and won't react the same way. It's entirely possible that a big fine could have the opposite effect and make things worse than they were before. By causing a house-cleaning in which they will almost surely throw out the good with the bad and by concentrating on making the appearance, as much as possible, of change while being completely blind to what is good or what is bad in that department.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

While I'd much rather see the money come from pension funds I'll take what we can get. At the $40 million level, someone will lose their jobs and that's about the best we can hope for. If enough taxpayer money gets diverted that's money they can't spend on harassing innocent people.

It doesn't work that way either. Think of it this way.

Let's say that you are a really bad driver and you accidentally drove through your neighbor's hedge on your way home from work. The neighborhood gets together and they fine you 50 dollars with the intent that you'll have less money for gas to destroy hedges. Well, you're most likely to take that money out of you're laundry budget than your gas budget, and the end result is that you will drive just as much as before, except that your underwear will be dirty and you'll have an axe to grind with your neighbors.

 

[Destro]

Is that what's happening here in this case?

time and time again on INGO we hear from people who think lawsuits for cash are the only answer to protect "dur reits"...OC a shotgun at the mall at the low ready and get questioned by LE? sue! Showing off your new SBR at the zoo and get asked to leave? sue! sue sue sue! you can't sue away the .gov

 

[Destro]

While I'd much rather see the money come from pension funds I'll take what we can get. At the $40 million level, someone will lose their jobs and that's about the best we can hope for. If enough taxpayer money gets diverted that's money they can't spend on harassing innocent people.

So if I sued your employer for a wrong, you would be comfortable giving up your 401k? These "settlements" are simply taxpayer money diverted into someones pocket. Maybe you and some like minded folks would rather bear the cost of these suits since your so supportive

 

[halfmileharry]

Maybe cops should have to purchase and maintain law enforcement malpractice insurance?

Maybe they should have to buy permits to be cops. Screw up like this and have the Permit revoked, lose job, pay damages out of pocket, and do community service in a bright pink jump suit.
I can see NO excuse for this behavior and lack of professionalism.
Damage control statement? You've be a moron to go along with that thinking or even believe anything they're shoveling out to justify the gross incompetence.

 

[ryknoll3]

So if I sued your employer for a wrong, you would be comfortable giving up your 401k? These "settlements" are simply taxpayer money diverted into someones pocket. Maybe you and some like minded folks would rather bear the cost of these suits since your so supportive

What's your answer? You come on EVERY time someone mentions a lawsuit and crab about how it's just taxpayer money and won't affect anything. Should we remove qualified immunity from cops so they can go to jail for violating civil rights? Fire them on the spot? It seems that you also don't like the cops to be personally financially liable for their actions (no pension fund jeopardy) so what's the answer? Let's hear it.

 

[mrjarrell]

So if I sued your employer for a wrong, you would be comfortable giving up your 401k? These "settlements" are simply taxpayer money diverted into someones pocket. Maybe you and some like minded folks would rather bear the cost of these suits since your so supportive

It would certainly force a change in attitude and a correction of the offending asshats. LE, of all stripes have no real skin in the game when they do something wrong. All too often we see them walk away smiling and high fiving each other after they've been shown to be king sized douche bags, as was the case with this young woman. It's highly doubtful that, even with a huge payout, anything will be done to the tools who harassed her and falsely arrested her. I'd also be comfortable with the payment coming from garnishment of wages of the entire agency to cover the payout. If any private business had screwed up as badly as these LE tools did, (or others often do) the screw up would be fired. We don't see that very often where government actors are concerned.

 

[mrjarrell]

What's your answer? You come on EVERY time someone mentions a lawsuit and crab about how it's just taxpayer money and won't affect anything. Should we remove qualified immunity from cops so they can go to jail for violating civil rights? Fire them on the spot? It seems that you also don't like the cops to be personally financially liable for their actions (no pension fund jeopardy) so what's the answer? Let's hear it.

I'd love to see qualified immunity go away. Give them the same skin in the game that private businesses have. No-one should be immune for their bad actions. Especially LE. They can, and have ruined more than a few innocent lives.

 

[jbombelli]

exactly, they will just add a line or two to the dept. SOP and call it a day. Even then, just because somebody gets $$$ does not mean the dept. thinks they did anything wrong, they might change nothing, and somebody walks away with $40 millin in taxpayer money, not the ABC's money. Im glad some of the INGOlibbers are not in charge of our national fiscal policy. While I agree we waste alot of money on stupid stuff, writing million dollar checks to people because a cop looked at them "crosswayz" is a joke.

Is that what's happening here in this case?

time and time again on INGO we hear from people who think lawsuits for cash are the only answer to protect "dur reits"...OC a shotgun at the mall at the low ready and get questioned by LE? sue! Showing off your new SBR at the zoo and get asked to leave? sue! sue sue sue! you can't sue away the .gov

That didn't answer the question I asked. Are we, in this case, writing someone a million dollar check because "a cop looked at them crosswayz"?

 

[Arthur Dent]

So if I sued your employer for a wrong, you would be comfortable giving up your 401k? These "settlements" are simply taxpayer money diverted into someones pocket. Maybe you and some like minded folks would rather bear the cost of these suits since your so supportive

Are we to take this to mean you advocate letting government run rampant in the streets doing as they please without any penalty?

 

[Fred78]

And you gents think these clowns aren't gonna kick down your doors and take your guns, when it isn't safe to walk across the parking lot with a six pack of water. As some old geezer used to say on the radio WAKE UP AMERICA!

 

[drillsgt]

It would certainly force a change in attitude and a correction of the offending asshats. LE, of all stripes have no real skin in the game when they do something wrong. All too often we see them walk away smiling and high fiving each other after they've been shown to be king sized douche bags, as was the case with this young woman. It's highly doubtful that, even with a huge payout, anything will be done to the tools who harassed her and falsely arrested her. I'd also be comfortable with the payment coming from garnishment of wages of the entire agency to cover the payout. If any private business had screwed up as badly as these LE tools did, (or others often do) the screw up would be fired. We don't see that very often where government actors are concerned.

But did they yell booya!

 

[Smokepole]

They let her go didn't they???

No the prosecutor did. THEY put her in the clink over night. Gotta love the JBT attitudes that some of these wannabe's have.

 

[Smokepole]

I like how one of them "jumped on the hood of the car". Just like on TV!

Yeah, that positively SCREAMS "I'M A COP DAMMIT!" NOT! Sounds more like some mornon trying to act like a TV cop! Go gettum Hunter!

 

[Smokepole]

It would certainly force a change in attitude and a correction of the offending asshats. LE, of all stripes have no real skin in the game when they do something wrong. All too often we see them walk away smiling and high fiving each other after they've been shown to be king sized douche bags, as was the case with this young woman. It's highly doubtful that, even with a huge payout, anything will be done to the tools who harassed her and falsely arrested her. I'd also be comfortable with the payment coming from garnishment of wages of the entire agency to cover the payout. If any private business had screwed up as badly as these LE tools did, (or others often do) the screw up would be fired. We don't see that very often where government actors are concerned.

I like the idea of having all of their fellow officers (agents) join in the punishment, like sometimes happens in the military. Corporal A$$hat F*^&$ up and the whole platoon has to do PT or whatever. Then the rest of the platoon will see that Corporal A$$hat pays the price so he doesn't FU again.

So, here the whole department gets to help pay the settlement (or part of ) that was caused by the goon squad. Even Administration. THAT might help send the message to the right places. And be more effective too. But I don't ever see anything like that happening. So we are back the square one.

 

[Kutnupe14]

First, a multi-million dollar settlement for a person that spent a few hours in jail is stupid. Secondly, if such IS paid, whose pocket does it come out of? The PD? Yeah, that's even more dumb. The city? Epically dumb. If you're going to go after somebody, it should rest firmly on the officer that messed up, and whatever means he has to pay for his FU. However, it should be noted that if this did happen to an officer acting in "good faith," without qualified immunity, look to less officers "acting" at all.

 

[Destro]

Are we to take this to mean you advocate letting government run rampant in the streets doing as they please without any penalty?

there are many cops in jail that would argue that is not the current case