CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: General Religious Discussion...

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Let's remember this is a civil discussion thread. This isn't the general political forum, we behave with much more respect here.

We're not here to bash someone else's religious beliefs, but to learn from them.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^. New people may not realize it hasn't been all that long ago that these threads would have been shut down in a second and the initiators would have been chastised up to banning. Keeping things civil is one way to keep these threads open.

 

[Ziggidy]

I do not I believe I was being uncivil in the least. I was direct to my point. As far as "getting worse"? My meaning, although unclear, is the realization the the pope is seemingly in a cover up mode also. The fact that global warming and other similar topics are more important, or seemingly so. Nothing should be more important than addressing this one single issue and he should be adamant about his position. He should exhibit endless energy into this area, showing strong leadership and a non-wavering stand. He is lacking in this area, and represents the church.

At some time, someone needs to start pounding the podium....sternly and with determination. Instead the opposite is being perceived.

I am not attacking the catholic church, just the men who represent the church that is no different than the swamp we have in DC. There are millions of good people who place their faith in that church and it is shameful how the church is reacting to this major cover up. If me commenting on that in a direct, honest, descriptive manner is considered bad, then so be it.

For those who ask about my church and it's problems I'll say this. All churches have problems, all. The difference here is that this topic is not about all the other churches, we are speaking of the criminal cover up of ht pope and down (within one church). Pointing the finger at another and questioning "what about you - huh?" is juvenile at best.

I appreciate being allowed to speak my mind and read the mind of others. I truly believe we all behave very well. Occasionally, like today, a nerve may have been hit but it's a nerve hitting topic, right? So point your finger and politely reprimand me if you must; it will happen again, I am sure. But we're all adults here and personally I feel we're doing a great job.

 

[JettaKnight]

Then maybe it's time for a new topic.

 

[Ziggidy]

Then maybe it's time for a new topic.

^^^^^^
I really do not know what else can be said on the subject.

So, how about them Baptists? How's that camp going these days!?

 

[T.Lex]

I do not I believe I was being uncivil in the least. I was direct to my point. As far as "getting worse"? My meaning, although unclear, is the realization the the pope is seemingly in a cover up mode also. The fact that global warming and other similar topics are more important, or seemingly so. Nothing should be more important than addressing this one single issue and he should be adamant about his position. He should exhibit endless energy into this area, showing strong leadership and a non-wavering stand. He is lacking in this area, and represents the church.

Your expectation is that he devout every statement, every lift of his hand, and every thought in his head to this topic.

Ok. I think that's unreasonable. He has stated his position on the general topic, and directed church efforts regarding that.

Specifically on the McCarrick issue, I believe he needs to go into greater detail, too.

At some time, someone needs to start pounding the podium....sternly and with determination. Instead the opposite is being perceived.

That may reflect the bias of the perceiver.

I am not attacking the catholic church...

I do not think you could type that with a straight face. Did you not write"

Why is it reaching all levels of the church? A MASSIVE coverup on all levels?

For those who ask about my church and it's problems I'll say this. All churches have problems, all. The difference here is that this topic is not about all the other churches, we are speaking of the criminal cover up of ht pope and down (within one church). Pointing the finger at another and questioning "what about you - huh?" is juvenile at best.

Welcome to INGO, you must be new here.

This is the General Religious Thread. Perhaps you are thinking of either the Christianity thread or a specific Catholic priest abuse thread (I'm not even sure if the latter exists here).

You leveled a specific challenge to me to get off my "arse." If you were incapable of receiving the same challenge, perhaps you should not have issued it.

As you note, other churches have issues. You are choosing to focus on the Catholic church issue. Fine, its a public forum, you can focus on whatever you want. But your focus on that, to the exclusion of other issues in other churches is revelatory.

I will readily concede this is an important issue in the contemporary Catholic church. Historically, I think the actual murder of people for political reasons on the "authority" of the church may have been worse.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

^^^^^^
I really do not know what else can be said on the subject.

Guess we'll find out soon.

It's still a very active situation in the news.

 

[Dead Duck]

OK...

So WWJYD?

 

[foszoe]

I always thought that expression was incorrect.

WWJHMD is much better.

OK...

So WWJYD?

 

[breakingcontact]

Looks like a missed a lot.

Met with our pastor last night to discuss formally joining our current church.

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[JettaKnight]

^^^^^^
I really do not know what else can be said on the subject.

So, how about them Baptists? How's that camp going these days!?

Cool as cucumbers.

 

[Dead Duck]

I always thought that expression was incorrect.

WWJHMD is much better.

What Would Jesus Have Me Do? That's cool but who's talking about Jesus?

I'm wanting to know what James Yeager would do.

 

[foszoe]

We were beginning to wonder if you were breakingcontact.

Looks like a missed a lot.

Met with our pastor last night to discuss formally joining our current church.

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[ArcadiaGP]

Anyone been to St. Joseph's Brewery and Public House?

St. Joseph Brewery

The Church that it's located in has some history:

Saint Joseph Brewery and Public House was established in 2015, but the building that houses our restaurant and brewery has quite a history. In order to meet the demands of the growing population in the northeast section of Indianapolis, the Catholic Archdiocese of Indianapolis, led by Bishop St. Palais, established the parish of St. Joseph in 1873, at that time the fourth Catholic parish in Indianapolis.

Father Joseph Petit, born in Forbach, Lorraine in France, was appointed the first pastor of the new parish. A two-story brick structure was built at the corner of Vermont and Liberty (now Park Ave.) Streets, and the top floor served as the parish church for the new congregation. In 1874, Father Petit was transferred to St. Michael Church in Madison, Indiana. Shortly thereafter, Father Herman Alerding, born in Germany, was appointed as pastor for St. Joseph parish. Father Alerding was very anxious to build a newer and bigger church for his growing congregation, but Bishop St. Palais refused to give his consent.

Bishop St. Palais died in June of 1877 and Bishop Silas Chatard was named as his successor in August of 1878. Bishop Chatard was determined to establish a hospital in Indianapolis, and the structure at Vermont and Liberty seemed to be ideal for the purpose. So he purchased two lots on the southwest corner of North and Noble (now College Ave.) streets for $5,500 and urged the congregation to build a new church on that site. Father Alerding took charge of the construction, and the cornerstone of the building we now occupy was laid by Bishop Chatard on July 20, 1879. The Gothic church was designed by noted architect Diedrich A. Bohlen of Hamburg, Germany. The building was finished in less than a year at a cost of $17,000. On July 4, 1880, Bishop Chatard blessed the church and Father Petit, the founder of the parish, returned from Madison to celebrate the first mass.

Father Alerding was appointed Bishop of Fort Wayne in August of 1900 and Father Francis B. Dowd was named pastor of St. Joseph. Father Dowd remained as pastor until his death in 1942. During his long pastorate, the neighborhood and population around St. Joseph began to change. Four new parishes established between 1881 and 1909 cut into the original boundaries of St. Joseph, and homes in the neighborhood were being replaced with industrial factories and mills. Father James Jansen was named to succeed Father Dowd as pastor of Saint Joseph in 1942, but the continuing decrease in membership led to the decision by Archbishop Paul Schulte to close and deconsecrate the church. The last mass at St. Joseph church was said by Archbishop Schulte on June 26, 1949.

The church building, still owned by the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, was then converted to the Catholic Community Center, to be used as a meeting hall and auditorium for several organizations including the Catholic Charities Bureau and Catholic Youth Organization. The chuch itself finally closed in 1954.

Been a couple times. The beer isn't anything to go crazy over, but the food is pretty nice.

Really cool building. More history here: Indiana Catholic History » Saint Joseph Church

 

[breakingcontact]

We were beginning to wonder if you were breakingcontact.

I do just that frequently!

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[foszoe]

would you say the food is heavenly?

Anyone been to St. Joseph's Brewery and Public House?

St. Joseph Brewery

The Church that it's located in has some history:



Been a couple times. The beer isn't anything to go crazy over, but the food is pretty nice.

Really cool building. More history here: Indiana Catholic History » Saint Joseph Church

 

[T.Lex]

Heya GP - that's really fascinating! In the spirit of "its a small world" the Alerding family is still prominent in northside Catholic communities. And that's the same Bishop Chatard that the high school is named after.

 

[historian]

What Would Jesus Have Me Do? That's cool but who's talking about Jesus?

I'm wanting to know what James Yeager would do.

Probably shoot while someone was downrange.

 

[T.Lex]

What Would Jesus Have Me Do? That's cool but who's talking about Jesus?

I'm wanting to know what James Yeager would do.

Hide in a ditch?

 

[Ziggidy]

Your expectation is that he devout every statement, every lift of his hand, and every thought in his head to this topic.

Ok. I think that's unreasonable. He has stated his position on the general topic, and directed church efforts regarding that.

We are talking about children. Ok, maybe it's me....probably is. I would certainly, most definitely not stop until I had this all open and the course was clear to everyone. Harm any child and I will personally drive you to the authorities. I will publicly announce who you are and what actions I have taken. I will go out of my way, heartily, to make clear my stance.

But instead, a mild discussion that eventually ended up in support for a questionable socialists idea of global warming, a commercial. My goodness, what is more important. Who cares about global warming when you have child predators in your closet?

I will take back my off the cuff remark of your arse, I apologize. My point is why are people allowing this? Why are people seemingly showing support for those who cover this up.....REGARDLESS of what church.

And by the way, I did not create this threat that is focused on priests and children. I gave my opinion, as you have. So my "focus" was reactionary to the posts that preceded mine. The church was defined as catholic before I gave my opinion.

And yes, I am new to INGO - love the diversity, still learning the politics.

Peace.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Haven't looked into this, consider the source. I'm going to guess 80-90% embellished clickbait.

Pope knowingly gave Vatican apartment to gay priest later caught in cocaine-fueled orgy

This all seems more like a putsch with how both sides are defending/attacking the Pope.