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    JCSR

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    Back on track. Interesting study from a creditable source.

    A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

    [FONT=&amp] November 22, 2020
    “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary,” Briand concluded.

    https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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    Gone..... Can't have that kind of article out there.


    Cached version, but Google has been removing those too, so only a matter of time: https://webcache.googleusercontent....ths-due-to-covid-19+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
     

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    Back on track. Interesting study from a creditable source.

    A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

    [FONT=&amp] November 22, 2020
    “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary,” Briand concluded.

    https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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    Case A - Lets say a virus comes along. It is real. It has a tendency to kill old vulnerable people such as those that would have died from heart disease or disease X. The people it kills can only die once so of course it reduces the number of people that die from heart disease or disease X by causing their death before they would have died anyway from their disease.

    Case B - Lets say a virus comes along. It is a hoax and there is a huge conspiracy to count as virus deaths old vulnerable people that die from heart disease or disease X. The deaths can only be counted once so of course it reduces the number of people that really died from heart disease or disease X by not counting their death from their disease.

    Either way there will be a reduction in deaths from heart disease and disease X.
     

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    Case A - Lets say a virus comes along. It is real. It has a tendency to kill old vulnerable people such as those that would have died from heart disease or disease X. The people it kills can only die once so of course it reduces the number of people that die from heart disease or disease X by causing their death before they would have died anyway from their disease.

    Case B - Lets say a virus comes along. It is a hoax and there is a huge conspiracy to count as virus deaths old vulnerable people that die from heart disease or disease X. The deaths can only be counted once so of course it reduces the number of people that really died from heart disease or disease X by not counting their death from their disease.

    Either way there will be a reduction in deaths from heart disease and disease X.

    In the event of normal death numbers as described, you just rediscovered the commutative property, in this case, 1+0=0+1.
     

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    Exactly. That was mainly for those that see a reduction in deaths by other diseases as proof of a conspiracy.

    In this case the problem is using the deaths of people who were on the edge of death anyway as a justification to infringe on our freedom. That is very different depending on which way you parse it.
     

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    This is an interesting web site: https://ground.news They make an effort show show how much right and left side media sources are covering different topics. It is interesting to see when certain topics that are covered by one side are almost completely ignored by the other. It goes along with the study showing 8 major topics that large chunks of the left were unaware of that might have affected the election. Ground.news appears to be making a serious attempt to be non-partisan, so they'll show what is ignored by the right as well.

    So why am I mentioning all that in a Wuhan Coronavirus thread? I just saw another interesting example of newsworthy information the left isn't being informed about. Ground.news provides links to all of the articles found so that you can easily see what different sites are saying about the topic.

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    Note- The coverage analysis numbers don't match the graphic. They count multiple articles from a single source. Don't like that as it is very unclear, but that's how it works.
     

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    Case A - Lets say a virus comes along. It is real. It has a tendency to kill old vulnerable people such as those that would have died from heart disease or disease X. The people it kills can only die once so of course it reduces the number of people that die from heart disease or disease X by causing their death before they would have died anyway from their disease.

    Case B - Lets say a virus comes along. It is a hoax and there is a huge conspiracy to count as virus deaths old vulnerable people that die from heart disease or disease X. The deaths can only be counted once so of course it reduces the number of people that really died from heart disease or disease X by not counting their death from their disease.

    Either way there will be a reduction in deaths from heart disease and disease X.

    If the stories are true that even people having a fatal vehicular accident have been counted as covid deaths, that situation will likely result in a downturn in vehicle fatalities. That will of course be blamed on people driving less during the pandemic, but my personal observation is while they may be driving less they are driving a lot faster so it is possible fewer miles would turn out to be just as deadly. Anecdotally we are seeing quite a spike in intoxicated crashes in the wee hours, including a startling number of wrong way crashes on the freeway and single vehicle fatalities

    I'm curious what strategy they'll go with to record the inevitable spike in suicides, since any coverage of the despair brought on by lockdowns and job losses would compete with the other narrative about saving grandma
     

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    If the stories are true that even people having a fatal vehicular accident have been counted as covid deaths, that situation will likely result in a downturn in vehicle fatalities. That will of course be blamed on people driving less during the pandemic, but my personal observation is while they may be driving less they are driving a lot faster so it is possible fewer miles would turn out to be just as deadly. Anecdotally we are seeing quite a spike in intoxicated crashes in the wee hours, including a startling number of wrong way crashes on the freeway and single vehicle fatalities

    I'm curious what strategy they'll go with to record the inevitable spike in suicides, since any coverage of the despair brought on by lockdowns and job losses would compete with the other narrative about saving grandma

    Right, I have seen an article that said exactly what you said. Miles driven are way down but the accidents and deaths are not down as much because of the bad/fast/intoxicated driving.

    I live on the edge of town and one road near here has turned into kind of an informal drag strip in the evenings. Some of the cars and bikes sound very healthy too.
     

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    The leftist media is a national embarrassment - but I don't see that changing anytime soon. They don't have enough integrity to initiate anything resembling change.
     

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    I’m liking Gorsuch’s take on it.

    “It is time — past time — to make plain that, while the pandemic poses many grave challenges, there is no world in which the Constitution tolerates color-coded executive edicts that reopen liquor stores and bike shops but shutter churches, synagogues and mosques,” Justice Gorsuch wrote.

    Now, while opening liquor stores and bike shops doesn’t sound like super spreader events to me, compared with potentially hundreds of people congregating in close contact within thousands of Synagogs, Churches, and Mosques every weekend, it is a first amendment right. Cuomo preferred to protect the first amendment rights of protesters, as long as they were protesting the approved thing. And the masses congregated in close contact during protests were every bit the super spreader kind of event that religious congregations are.

    A state whose laws govern the people rather than a dictator, will regard all first amendment rights equally. Not just the ones they approve of. If the court were a court of laws rather than a court of whims, it would have been a 9-0 decision to force the head ******* in charge of NY (HAIC NY) to apply the first amendment equally.

    Returning to my ongoing discussion with T. Lex: I will let Justice Gorsuch provide the answer: "Government is not free to disregard the First Amendment in times of crisis."

    [Mic drop, Gorsuch-style]
     
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