Active shooter situation at school in Parkland, FL; reports of victims

[Floivanus]

Florida Voting on Pro-Gun Bills Day After Parkland Shooting | Miami New Times

How is it that everytime there is a big media darling spree shooting it seems to be the day before some pro gun legislation is slotted to be heard? Just like the SHARE act- twice.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Florida Voting on Pro-Gun Bills Day After Parkland Shooting | Miami New Times

How is it that everytime there is a big media darling spree shooting it seems to be the day before some pro gun legislation is slotted to be heard? Just like the SHARE act- twice.

Ha! I KNOW Adam Putnam. He's a friend of mine. We served together as Campus Diplomats at UF. Had some good times with him is Sarasota, back in the day.

 

[HubertGummer]

Florida Voting on Pro-Gun Bills Day After Parkland Shooting | Miami New Times

How is it that everytime there is a big media darling spree shooting it seems to be the day before some pro gun legislation is slotted to be heard? Just like the SHARE act- twice.

I know. It seems to happen a lot...

 

[seedubs1]

Seems like most of the social media I’m seeing has turned from “reasonable” legislation to “**** it, just take all the guns away.”

 

[Kutnupe14]

Seems like most of the social media I’m seeing has turned from “reasonable” legislation to “**** it, just take all the guns away.”

I think, at some point it's inevitable that there will be some pretty severe restrictions. Even with minor spikes, decade by decade, there really hasn't been a net increase of gun owners...

 

[churchmouse]

I think, at some point it's inevitable that there will be some pretty severe restrictions. Even with minor spikes, decade by decade, there really hasn't been a net increase of gun owners...

So the record breaking run of new gun owners in the post Sandy Hook era and the serious spike in over all numbers has no influence here....

 

[Expat]

Seems like most of the social media I’m seeing has turned from “reasonable” legislation to “**** it, just take all the guns away.”

It seems the left wing of the Dem party has completely dropped any pretense of being reasonable in every category, economics, governing, guns, etc. They seem like true believing bolsheviks.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So the record breaking run of new gun owners in the post Sandy Hook era and the serious spike in over all numbers has no influence here....

No, not really. We'll get spikes here and there, but overall we're declining. And as older generations die off that will further continue the decline. Even for "new" owners, our ideas aren't exactly automatically adopted by them. And the periodic gun crazes we see, I seriously doubt people are buying ARs; during panics they seem to buy handguns, while the old heads are the ones buying up the RRAs/DDs/Colts etc.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

For this, I think you should want him in office. Obama puts a face on many's perceived enemy (gun grabbers). He would've been a figurehead to oppose. People could have organized, and attacked him as attempting to infringe on rights. Since he's no longer in office, that really can't be done. If gun activists become vocal, it will most certainly paint them in a bad light...
Given the politics this kid seemed to have, it would be wise to tread carefully, and hope this blows over.

I agree.

 

[eldirector]

So the record breaking run of new gun owners in the post Sandy Hook era and the serious spike in over all numbers has no influence here....

The number of households with a firearm has stayed pretty steady over the last several years. There has been a pretty noticeable spike in purchases, but it would appear it was mostly existing firearm owners buying more. There HAS been an uptick in minority owners, but, well, they are minorities, so don't impact the overall number a lot.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So the record breaking run of new gun owners in the post Sandy Hook era and the serious spike in over all numbers has no influence here....

No, not really. We'll get spikes here and there, but overall we're declining. And as older generations die off that will further continue the decline. Even for "new" owners, our ideas aren't exactly automatically adopted by them. And the periodic gun crazes we see, I seriously doubt people are buying ARs; during panics they seem to buy handguns, while the old heads are the ones buying up the RRAs/DDs/Colts etc.

Record breaking sales is what we've had since Sandy Hook, from what I've read. Assuming my understanding is correct, gun ownership has increased but to a large degree, of the sales splurge was by already gun owners.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Record breaking sales is what we've had since Sandy Hook, from what I've read. Assuming my understanding is correct, gun ownership has increased but to a large degree, of the sales splurge was by already gun owners.

Well, when I have kids they'll certainly be in the "new" category.

 

[aaron580]

NYP spreading more smut

https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/mr-president-its-time-to-do-something-about-guns/

 

[churchmouse]

Record breaking sales is what we've had since Sandy Hook, from what I've read. Assuming my understanding is correct, gun ownership has increased but to a large degree, of the sales splurge was by already gun owners.

I see so many Newbies at ranges and LGS's. So many of them. Could the facts be skewed just a bit....????

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Well, when I have kids they'll certainly be in the "new" category.

As of last Christmas (2016 that is), my youngest son is. Researched, shopped, and bought his first one with his own money. We bought him his lifetime LTCH as a Christmas present.

 

[aaron580]

Well, when I have kids they'll certainly be in the "new" category.

Strongly agree

I see so many Newbies at ranges and LGS's. So many of them. Could the facts be skewed just a bit....????

Thats what I wonder, I hear people ALL THE TIME talking about buying their first handgun or something of the nature. I meet LOTS of new people on a daily basis so it has seemed to me that the trend has been on the uphill. But when it comes to polls, I don't care who they are from, they are skewed and biased.

 

[BigRed]

I've got a bad feeling about this one. I'm glad Obama's not in office and if this keeps up and gains traction, we might just see how conservative Trump is. We really need the news cycle to turn over so this will go away.

Trump was for the so called "assault weapons ban" before he was against the so called "assault weapons ban".

 

[ghitch75]

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/do...claiming-18-school-shootings-in-us-this-year/

 

[T.Lex]

The number of households with a firearm has stayed pretty steady over the last several years. There has been a pretty noticeable spike in purchases, but it would appear it was mostly existing firearm owners buying more. There HAS been an uptick in minority owners, but, well, they are minorities, so don't impact the overall number a lot.

I left both graphics in the quote to illustrate why its important to be clear about statistics (sorry, a bit of a pet peeve of mine).

The first appears to be a percentage. The actual US population, therefore objective number of households, is increasing. So, to hold the same percentage of households (roughly) having firearms requires the objective number of households with firearms to increase in roughly the same proportion as the population at large.

So, I humbly submit that the assertion that it is existing firearms owners buying more is probably inaccurate. It is those "new" members of the population starting households and having guns. Now, MAYBE if you count children being raised in gun-owning households purchasing their own guns, it makes sense. But, I think it is more accurate that as some people decline to buy guns although they were raised in gun-owning households (which does happen, and the gravestone of John Moses Browning sheds a tear each time that happens), a non-gun-owning household decides to switch sides.

If that first graph is in raw numbers, like millions or something, then you may be right. But, if it is, I'm afraid that might be signaling the marginalization of gun owning households.

I love the stats that support the second graph. I included that one just for kicks.

 

[T.Lex]

Well, when I have kids they'll certainly be in the "new" category.

"When"?

That's optimistic.