Active shooter situation at school in Parkland, FL; reports of victims

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Wow, there's a first for me. I actually saw it happen in real time.

That was pretty cool to watch. You guys had some very well thought out replies to his inflammatory comments.

 

[Vigilant]

But he is on line so he can see it.

 

[Vigilant]

All the answers are in the earlier posts. Some will help right away and others will take time because they have been eroding the system for a while now.

- Get rid of all the Gun Free Zone.... so the people have a chance to defend themselves and it's a deterrent to dirtbags.
- Stop overdispensing drugs to the mentally ill...... this has been going on way too long. Most the damage is irreversible for some.
- Prosecutors need to actually prosecute......as it is now, crime DOES pay. There is no incentive not to do the crime.
- Judges need to keep dirtbags in prison and stop letting them out early...... cops are burned out by re-arresting dirtbags too soon.
- Parents need to take more responsibility for their kids actions....... pro-active parenting is almost non-existent in certain places.

Easy fixes but liberals will have none of it. Only knee-jerk reactions to feel better in the short term.










oh, and IBTL

Wow, amazing what can be had when you think instead of feelz!

 

[bwframe]

And now I received a message that there was a non credible threat made against Noblesville High School for tomorrow. Two students overheard a conversation on the bus ride home today and used the confidential reporting app on the Pad to report the student making a threat. The school and NPD have made contact with that student. I am guessing that after the interview a determination was made that there was no real threat. The app is called Speak Up. The message continues to urge students to speak up and praised the two that reported the conversation.

This is great! The way things are supposed to work.

 

[jamil]

All the answers are in the earlier posts. Some will help right away and others will take time because they have been eroding the system for a while now.

- Get rid of all the Gun Free Zone.... so the people have a chance to defend themselves and it's a deterrent to dirtbags.
- Stop dispensing drugs to the mentally ill...... this has been going on way too long. Most the damage is irreversible for some.
- Prosecutors need to actually prosecute......as it is now, crime DOES pay. There is no incentive not to do the crime.
- Judges need to keep dirtbags in prison and stop letting them out early...... cops are burned out by re-arresting dirtbags too soon.
- Parents need to take more responsibility for their kids actions....... pro-active parenting is almost non-existent in certain places.

Easy fixes but liberals will will have none of it. Only knee-jerk reactions to feel better in the short term.

Let's not kid ourselves. No one who's unaffected by any of these gives a flying **** about murders in the inner city, or murderous jealous partners, or robberies gone bad, or accidents. So most of the things that you listed will help solve the school shooting.

But the last thing, that hits on this problem more than the other things do. I think a postmodern society doesn't have the moral IQ to handle freedom. The solution isn't to end freedom. The solution is to destroy postmodernism.

We got rid of god without replacing the basis for a moral society. There are consequences for doing that. I'm not saying we can't be moral without god, but we do need some common basis for moral individuals to live in society.

We've always had improperly socialized people--outcasts, misfits, whatever--who've done stuff like this. Used to be those kinds of people came along years or decades apart. So why are they now so much more frequent? Probably a lot of reasons that add up to what we're seeing. It's not just one thing. So people Avec, who think that if we just enact something, anything, as long as it's some kind of gun control, it'll make a difference, they're not helping to solve the problem. If anything they're directing everyone to a conversation that isn't helpful.

So all this time people are arguing back and forth, WE NEED GUN CONTROL -- NO WE DON'T -- YES WE DO -- NO WE DON'T... That's wasting our time. We should be talking about why people do this now more than ever. What impact does social media have? What impact does wall-to-wall TV coverage have? What impact does the crumbling of the nuclear family have?

 

[jamil]

Yeah, I usually miss it too.

I kinda missed it. I was busy editing something that I was going to post to tone it down so that CM wouldn't have an aneurysm. Took me too long lighten up #494.

 

[Dead Duck]

Let's not kid ourselves. No one who's unaffected by any of these gives a flying **** about murders in the inner city, or murderous jealous partners, or robberies gone bad, or accidents. So most of the things that you listed will help solve the school shooting.

But the last thing, that hits on this problem more than the other things do. I think a postmodern society doesn't have the moral IQ to handle freedom. The solution isn't to end freedom. The solution is to destroy postmodernism.

We got rid of god without replacing the basis for a moral society. There are consequences for doing that. I'm not saying we can't be moral without god, but we do need some common basis for moral individuals to live in society.

We've always had improperly socialized people--outcasts, misfits, whatever--who've done stuff like this. Used to be those kinds of people came along years or decades apart. So why are they now so much more frequent? Probably a lot of reasons that add up to what we're seeing. It's not just one thing. So people Avec, who think that if we just enact something, anything, as long as it's some kind of gun control, it'll make a difference, they're not helping to solve the problem. If anything they're directing everyone to a conversation that isn't helpful.

So all this time people are arguing back and forth, WE NEED GUN CONTROL -- NO WE DON'T -- YES WE DO -- NO WE DON'T... That's wasting our time. We should be talking about why people do this now more than ever. What impact does social media have? What impact does wall-to-wall TV coverage have? What impact does the crumbling of the nuclear family have?

You're Right!
Let's pass a law that will force everyone to go to church and pray so then ...... oh, wait....

 

[jbombelli]

There's also lots more people now than ever before. It logically follows that well see more of every crime imaginable than we used to. As the population grows, so does the raw number of people committing atrocities. I'm sure that's PART of the issue. Not likely all of it, but at least a substantial part.

 

[jamil]

You're Right!
Let's pass a law that will force everyone to go to church and pray so then ...... oh, wait....

Oh hell no!

But being individuals working in a society, the need for moral behavior should be self-evident. Properly socializing kids and teaching them how to behave and treat other people gives them the tools to handle freedom in a free society.

 

[HoughMade]

There are more and more people who don’t respect the sanctity of life and, therefore, think nothing of ending lives. I wonder where these crazy ideas come from.

 

[Dead Duck]

....interview with that guy that contacted the FBI six months ago about this school shooter.....maybe...

Man who warned FBI of Florida shooter speaks out | On Air Videos | Fox News

 

[jamil]

There's also lots more people now than ever before. It logically follows that well see more of every crime imaginable than we used to. As the population grows, so does the raw number of people committing atrocities. I'm sure that's PART of the issue. Not likely all of it, but at least a substantial part.

That's a good point. Populations haven't grown nearly enough to account for the increasing occurrence, but there's also something to be said about the affect of living in closer proximity to others has on crime in general. Densely populated urban areas have much higher crime rates than rural areas. So it seems reasonable to say that increasing populations may have a non-linear affect on occurrences of violence.

 

[seedubs1]

My theory.....smart phones. People, especially the younger generations, aren’t developing good relationships and friendships like they used to. People are more miserable, depressed, and unhappy as a result. I really think the technology these days is a problem.

That's a good point. Populations haven't grown nearly enough to account for the increasing occurrence, but there's also something to be said about the affect of living in closer proximity to others has on crime in general. Densely populated urban areas have much higher crime rates than rural areas. So it seems reasonable to say that increasing populations may have a non-linear affect on occurrences of violence.

 

[Mikey1911]

The converse side of that is upthread, legal gun owners willing to submit to yet more infringement of our rights for feelz! I’ll take 10 Liberal I haz a sadz to every 1 sellout gun owner Fudd!!!!

Well, I don’t like them Fudds too much, neither.

 

[jamil]

There are more and more people who don’t respect the sanctity of life and, therefore, think nothing of ending lives. I wonder where these crazy ideas come from.

This is what I'm getting at. In a postmodern world, there is no real concept of the sanctity of life. And even as an agnostic I think that's true. I have to admit that my Christian background has given me an appreciation of life that I think today's people don't have. Dave Ruben had Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson on his show, and they touched on that topic. Even though atheists/agnostics don't believe in God, in the West many of them still have the morality derived from the West, which is primarily based in Christianity.

Of course Shapiro thinks about that in religious terms. Peterson does to some extent, but with Peterson, the religious aspect is more about Jung's evolutionary archetypes at work. Lots of religions have many of the elements of Christianity. A Christian could make a case that they're all descendant from the first human beings from the creation story. Also an Evolutionist could make a case that what evolved as religion is the manifestation of some universal truths about human morality.

 

[jamil]

My theory.....smart phones. People, especially the younger generations, aren’t developing good relationships and friendships like they used to. People are more miserable, depressed, and unhappy as a result. I really think the technology these days is a problem.

I think you're right. I think that is a factor too. And the point of that is that it's not just one thing, unless we lump all the factors contributing to the problem into a single monolith and find a name for it. It's more complicated than the people with the loudest voices are willing to admit.

 

[1stLast&Always]

(About training kids to run/hide/defend). Sensible response to multitude of unknown/uncontrollable/complicated macro and micro issues.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27219/breaking-terrorist-plot-foiled-new-york-city-ryan-saavedra

Maybe we shouldn't be arming teachers after all.

 

[Sylvain]

My theory.....smart phones. People, especially the younger generations, aren’t developing good relationships and friendships like they used to. People are more miserable, depressed, and unhappy as a result. I really think the technology these days is a problem.

Depression would lead more to suicide than to murder.

Some of those mass shootings could be considered "suicide by cops" but most of the depressed kids don't have the will to kill others.

 

[EPeter213]

Ibtl. Just read the whole thread. Tragic. Sad that this individual did not receive the care that could have prevented this.