Active shooter situation at school in Parkland, FL; reports of victims

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[d.kaufman]

Cant get a link to post, but apparently deputies were called to his house 39 times in 7 years. Quite a few over mental instability. The ball was dropped on this kid being able to purchase a firearm, just like the Texas church shooter.

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DrudgeReportFeed/~3/Rs0j5l7stFU/

 

[Vigilant]

I would like to see the stats on this also.

I'm all for private and homeschooling. When my kid was home-schooled, There were no bully problems and the principal let everyone carry a gun on campus. The whole school staff and the parents carried as well as the principal himself. The kids also had target shooting class 2-3 times a week.

Yes, but it made making out after prom a little awkward did t it?

 

[jamil]

Not only the expulsion thing. But if a parent cares enough to pay to send their kid to private school, they’re probably involved enough and have the means to get their kid help when they notice something isn’t right.

What about the kid in California who was pissed off because he couldn't get a date? Wasn't he from a fairly well off family?

Then there's Adam Lanza. Family well off, but parents separated, kid improperly socialized, not disciplined in the home. Mother basically let him do what he wanted and his father was not involved in his life.

So I'd say it's possible to list a bunch of factors that could contribute to the state of mind which can do something like that, and it just takes some of those in the right combination to do it.

 

[jamil]

Cant get a link to post, but apparently deputies were called to his house 39 times in 7 years. Quite a few over mental instability. The ball was dropped on this kid being able to purchase a firearm, just like the Texas church shooter.

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DrudgeReportFeed/~3/Rs0j5l7stFU/

Even so. At most he fails the NICS check. If he's hell bent on killing people that's not going to stop him.

 

[d.kaufman]

Even so. At most he fails the NICS check. If he's hell bent on killing people that's not going to stop him.

While i agree it is possible he may not of done it. Hard to say, but either way, they say "see something, say something" and it appears teachers, students, deputies and the fbi all seen something, but nothing was done. In my opinion the ball was dropped

 

[d.kaufman]

Looks like another possible school shooting in progress

Highline College in Washington state on lockdown after reports of gunfire | WGN-TV

 

[jgressley2003]

While i agree it is possible he may not of done it. Hard to say, but either way, they say "see something, say something" and it appears teachers, students, deputies and the fbi all seen something, but nothing was done. In my opinion the ball was dropped

It’s hard to imagine government organizations dropping the ball....

 

[eldirector]

Looks like another possible school shooting in progress

Highline College in Washington state on lockdown after reports of gunfire | WGN-TV

We should probably settle on the definition of "school". I reject Everytown's definition, which means this is not a possible "school shooting".

 

[Thor]

Don't know if this has been posted yet but: https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...zV1kybkZLXC9MeEdQZDBDd3E1U2w1UWNFWmk3RncifQ==

From a man with some skin in the game...[h=1]Rep. Scalise, Shot in June, Points to Prayer and Self-Defense[/h]

 

[bwframe]

The FBI revealed Friday that they received a tip last month that Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old accused of killing 17 people on Valentine's Day, had a gun, wanted to “kill people” and there was the “potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

The agency admitted that they received a call on Jan. 5, 2018, a person close to Cruz contacted the FBI through its Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to with concerns of his erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts.

"Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life," the statement said. "We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5."...

Alleged Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz was reported to FBI, cops, school -- but warning signs missed | Fox News

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The FBI revealed Friday that they received a tip last month that Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old accused of killing 17 people on Valentine's Day, had a gun, wanted to “kill people” and there was the “potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

The agency admitted that they received a call on Jan. 5, 2018, a person close to Cruz contacted the FBI through its Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to with concerns of his erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts.

"Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assesses as a potential threat to life," the statement said. "We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5."...

Alleged Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz was reported to FBI, cops, school -- but warning signs missed | Fox News

Besides putting him into the NICS database as a "no go" with this information (if they could - I believe he would have to be adjudicated as mentally ill), what could they have done with this information though? Don't get me wrong, part of me wishes they could have institutionalized him (department of corrections or mental institution - either one), but that flies in the face of the Constitution, does it not? Or could someone in a position of authority get him adjudicated as mentally ill based on second-hand information or social media posts? I truly don't know.

Simply saying he wanted to kill people doesn't rise to the level of criminality. If it did, there'd be a whole lot of people in trouble. How many have said something similar to "I'd like to kill that S.O.B.!" in a moment of anger or frustration? Probably 99.9999% of those who have wouldn't actually carry it out, so where is the line to be drawn? Again, I truly don't know.

 

[SMiller]

It’s hard to imagine government organizations dropping the ball....

Lol

Local PD was called 39 times on him and FBI was told he was going to shoot up the school.

Nothing to see here people...

 

[bwframe]

I dunno. Maybe if combined with the credible threat that school had (but maybe didn't report?) and the 39 visits that local law enforcement made to the shooter's home?

 

[KittySlayer]

Besides putting him into the NICS database as a "no go" with this information (if they could - I believe he would have to be adjudicated as mentally ill), what could they have done with this information though? Don't get me wrong, part of me wishes they could have institutionalized him (department of corrections or mental institution - either one), but that flies in the face of the Constitution, does it not? Or could someone in a position of authority get him adjudicated as mentally ill based on second-hand information or social media posts? I truly don't know.

When your picture in the Yearbook is captioned "Most likely to be a school shooter" then someone with some authority needs the ability and motivation to do something. Between everyone being so PC about everything and add to that our useless catch and release justice system (particularly with juveniles) it is hard to fix what parents and the system have screwed up. Out of those 39 visits several people let the ball drop. You don't get 39 visits without doing something illegal, someone was too lazy to fill out the paperwork. Then the FBI, who in light of their screw ups lately, should have done something. The FBI has become a joke.

Sorry, but a good chunk of this one is on the FBI saying "Oops", just like the military SNAFU on the church shooter. Do your freaking job!!!

Cant get a link to post, but apparently deputies were called to his house 39 times in 7 years. Quite a few over mental instability. The ball was dropped on this kid being able to purchase a firearm, just like the Texas church shooter.

 

[Birds Away]

When your picture in the Yearbook is captioned "Most likely to be a school shooter" then someone with some authority needs the ability and motivation to do something. Between everyone being so PC about everything and add to that our useless catch and release justice system (particularly with juveniles) it is hard to fix what parents and the system have screwed up. Out of those 39 visits several people let the ball drop. You don't get 39 visits without doing something illegal, someone was too lazy to fill out the paperwork. Then the FBI, who in light of their screw ups lately, should have done something. The FBI has become a joke.

Sorry, but a good chunk of this one is on the FBI saying "Oops", just like the military SNAFU on the church shooter. Do your freaking job!!!

They're too busy weighing in on Presidential politics to spare any time for such mundane tasks.

 

[HoughMade]

...what could they have done with this information though?...

They could have talked to him and those who know him to try to determine if he was a real threat or not. You never know where such interactions will lead. And now we'll never know.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

When your picture in the Yearbook is captioned "Most likely to be a school shooter" then someone with some authority needs the ability and motivation to do something. Between everyone being so PC about everything and add to that our useless catch and release justice system (particularly with juveniles) it is hard to fix what parents and the system have screwed up. Out of those 39 visits several people let the ball drop. You don't get 39 visits without doing something illegal, someone was too lazy to fill out the paperwork. Then the FBI, who in light of their screw ups lately, should have done something. The FBI has become a joke.

Sorry, but a good chunk of this one is on the FBI saying "Oops", just like the military SNAFU on the church shooter. Do your freaking job!!!

I don't disagree with this!

They're too busy weighing in on Presidential politics to spare any time for such mundane tasks.

Yep... "Russia, Russia, Russia!"

They could have talked to him and those who know him to try to determine if he was a real threat or not. You never know where such interactions will lead. And now we'll never know.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda... Like KittySlayer said, "Do your freakin' job!" (The FBI and probably the local PD that was called 39 times - not you Hough. )

 

[bwframe]

Sounds like we need to shut down the FBI. Start hiring for their replacement agency tomorrow.

 

[KellyinAvon]

When your picture in the Yearbook is captioned "Most likely to be a school shooter" then someone with some authority needs the ability and motivation to do something. Between everyone being so PC about everything and add to that our useless catch and release justice system (particularly with juveniles) it is hard to fix what parents and the system have screwed up. Out of those 39 visits several people let the ball drop. You don't get 39 visits without doing something illegal, someone was too lazy to fill out the paperwork. Then the FBI, who in light of their screw ups lately, should have done something. The FBI has become a joke.

Sorry, but a good chunk of this one is on the FBI saying "Oops", just like the military SNAFU on the church shooter. Do your freaking job!!!

Do your freaking jobs, Amen. Sutherland Springs bothers me a great deal because many in the USAF didn't do their jobs.

San Bernardino: State Dept pogues didn't do their jobs. That was OK, nobody likes doing that so its OK to suck at your job. Neighbor saw suspicious activity but didn't want to be called racist or Islamophobic.

Charleston, SC Church: should've been NICS denial, somebody didn't do their job.

False info on an ATF 4473 gets prosecuted 0.04% of the time, but we need more laws.