Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[HoughMade]

According to the Supreme Court, with respect to XXXXXXX, you know it when you see it.

(Or is that only XXX?)

Jacobellis v. Ohio​ props.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Anyone find the girlfriends words to her family strange!?

'Relax, we shouldn't worry about it. I'll fix it. Do not panic. I have a clean conscience,'" Bustos told the outlet Wednesday morning.

where did you you find that?

edit: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...stephen-paddock-returns-u-s-article-1.3539817

Also, she could very easily have been telling her family don't worry, nothing will happen to us, I'll prove to the FBI I had no knowledge and was not involved.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Actually, the alarmist press coverage of a responsible group of people doing responsible things with dangerous tools might backfire (pardon the pun) on the MSM. I mean, those folks are generally really good ambassadors for us.

Yeah, not a big issue, but just something I'd like to get clarity on. (But, won't lose sleep over.)

I mean, they put a tac group near the door where they know he is to make sure he doesn't get out. Within a few minutes, without any more volleys forthcoming, they start to figure out the threat's probably been neutralized. Take the time to get civilians out of the floors underneath and above in case the place is rigged with explosives.

I suspect that, if shooter had continued shooting, the dynamic entry would've happened much sooner.

^^^Yeah, I'm definitely in agreement with you on this.^^^

Also, on the behalf of myself and my fellow Knob Creekers, thank you for the kind words.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Its sad that someone would offer up anti gun bils so often that you get confused over which is the current one.

And I heard the starting on the 29th floor was due to bad intel by someone who rushed and couldnt count how many floors were below the broken window. (not throwing stones, I have been known to miscount myself)

Not me... One... that's it. That's all there is of myself.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

ban gun safes

 

[DoggyDaddy]

ban gun safes

Comparatively speaking a refrigerator sized safe is about average. These people would freak at some of the safe company displays at gun shows.

 

[hoosierdoc]

ban gun safes

that is too extreme. Maybe just require that they are digitally locked can only be unlocked remotely by the ATF after you submit a request for safe opening and state your reasons why you need it open. Due to requiring original signature and notary stamp it will have to be done on paper, and expect a 9 month turnaround. The unlock code will only be active for sixty seconds and notice will be sent no earlier than 24 hours ahead of scheduled unlock time via US Mail.

 

[lonehoosier]

Just throwing this out there - would you trade bumpstocks becoming a grandfathered NFA item if supressors were removed?

Not one inch!

 

[AmmoManAaron]

As a gun enthusiast, I am in that same group.

But, as a gun rights enthusiast, I know that I have to defend this segment, even though I don't particularly like it.

When they came for bumpstocks, I did nothing because I didn't have bumpstocks....

^^^100% this!!!^^^

Heck, I have registered transferable MGs and have both the money and desire to add more to my collection, but I still don't want bumpstocks thrown under the bus. Rights and principles matter above all.

Just throwing this out there - would you trade bumpstocks becoming a grandfathered NFA item if supressors were removed?

Personally, yes, if legislation starts moving and things are looking grim. I would prefer not to give an inch at all, but trading away one inch here for gaining one inch there isn't too bad a deal all things considered.

But doing that without grandfathering would be a complete non-starter for me.

 

[rvb]

I'd love to see a stronger campaign by pro-gun people in the limelight to call attention to the suppressor red herring.

It's so easily debunked. They bring the dB down to just below the point of damaging your hearing. But people reading anti-gun crap on it think it's a James Bond movie plip plip

yes, and as I said here*, most of what you hear on the receiving end isn't the gun shot, it's the bullet. a silencer wouldn't have mattered at all in this instance given the distance involved. It would have been the difference between a big jack hammer and a smaller jackhammer from 1/8 to 1/4 mile away...

*https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-under-those-circumstances-5.html#post7256987

 

[aaron580]

that is too extreme. Maybe just require that they are digitally locked can only be unlocked remotely by the ATF after you submit a request for safe opening and state your reasons why you need it open. Due to requiring original signature and notary stamp it will have to be done on paper, and expect a 9 month turnaround. The unlock code will only be active for sixty seconds and notice will be sent no earlier than 24 hours ahead of scheduled unlock time via US Mail.

Safes need be under NFA, form 23 to open a safe on a trust

 

[bwframe]

I had typed a similar thought, but I'd let them ban the silly gadgets outright, no grandfathering, for suppressors coming off the NFA.

I didn't hit post because I thought it might be seen as giving an inch and make me flunk the INGO ideology purity test.

I was concerned about that also. That's why I went with the red print to not be mistaken.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

On what I said earlier

Everyone in this picture has the same ideology, picked the same people to lead the country, and use their platform to lecture the everyday American.

These are the people guiding the social hive mind.

 

[eldirector]

I've already compromised on:
- National Firearms Act
- Federal Firearms Act
- Safe Streets Act
- Gun Control Act
- Firearm Owners Protection Act
- Undetectable Firearms Act
- Gun-Free School Zones Act
- Brady Act
- and any number of state and local ordinances.

I think I've compromised enough. Considering, the "other side's" version of compromise it to simple take more and more.

So, while "bump stocks" may be more a gimmick, the anti-freedom folks can put a cork in it. I'm not interested.

 

[openwell]

No way to ban gun safes! But, what about registration???????? Information for use at a later date???????????

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I've already compromised on:
- National Firearms Act
- Federal Firearms Act
- Safe Streets Act
- Gun Control Act
- Firearm Owners Protection Act
- Undetectable Firearms Act
- Gun-Free School Zones Act
- Brady Act
- and any number of state and local ordinances.

I think I've compromised enough. Considering, the "other side's" version of compromise it to simple take more and more.

So, while "bump stocks" may be more a gimmick, the anti-freedom folks can put a cork in it. I'm not interested.

Waiting for someone to post the cake comic....

 

[indiucky]

On what I said earlier

Everyone in this picture has the same ideology, picked the same people to lead the country, and use their platform to lecture the everyday American.

These are the people guiding the social hive mind.

There is a very large amount of smug in that picture....

 

[indiucky]

Her dad is rolling over in his grave....

Singer Rosanne Cash: 'NRA Funds Domestic Terrorism'

 

[Leadeye]

And with a full load of fuel, at a high angle of attack, Im sure you could do MUCH more devastation at this type of outdoor venue. The only problem would be identifying everything in the dark. 2500lbs of aluminum would make a mess out of a crowd like that.

(had to delete my description because it made me sick to my stomach)

(also a former pilot)

Impact angle maybe?

 

[Thor]

No way to ban gun safes! But, what about registration???????? Information for use at a later date???????????

Then it's time for all of us to get together for a gun exchange BBQ. Eat some good food, trade guns...then claim a massive boating accident. Nothing tracked to anyone involved DL and LTCH to keep it all legal (as of today!). But if that is the extent we are going to then further discussion would violate rules of INGO.