Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[chipbennett]

So country music fans are conservatives, and probably of the pro-2A variety? Or are they rare unicorn conservatives of the anti-2A variety? That's knowable right?

Statistically speaking, they are demographically likely to be, yes.

 

[Denny347]

Incrementalism.

With the ATF records, they have a paper trail as to who owns what. A small shift (statistically) in political leadership and we could have a small step along the Australian Model gun ban. "We don't want your all guns, just the bad ones, like.... semi-auto .50 cal."

Reference to indexed, easy to use ATF records, and they can find everyone who's purchased semi-auto .50 cal. Send out the investigators and it becomes very easy.

Now, can they do that with the current system, yeah- sorta, but the budgeting for resources makes it impractical. And that's ok with me.

Yes, there is a hard tradeoff when you and your colleagues are working hard to solve crimes. It takes longer. They are looking for a single needle in a massive room full of needles. Just IMHO, that's an ok tradeoff, but I can see how reasonable people could disagree on the matter.

If we are talking about a computerization of ATF records of Firearms purchases, it seems to me that that is very close to a registration. Some people would think that makes it easier to confiscate firearms.

Nevermind already been said.

It sounds like an unsubstantiated and irrational fear of the unknown. There is not a shred of evidence that this is even a likely outcome. Let's not kid ourselves, you are "registering" yourself with every 4473 you fill out. It only makes it to the ATF when the business shutters. The ATF HAS the information, it's laughable to believe that digitizing the records of defunct businesses could lead to mass confiscation...it's irrational. It's just as irrational as the left's fear of "assault rifles".

 

[HoughMade]

I can see it now.... " pre ban bumpstock 1000 dollars"

So you're assuming a ban would allow retention of the ones that are out there?

Hopefully, we won't have to find out.

I've fired enough real full-auto weapons to know that full auto isn't all that orgasmic and simulating it is just a waste of money, but I hate to see more laws.

 

[PistolBob]

From a report on the radio this morning, he used 7.62 and .223 rifles (according to said news report, "both known to be capable of penetrating police body armor") with "modified bump stocks to imitate full auto fire."

And California Senator Dianne Feinstein is out there today claiming these "bump" add ons make the weapon full auto...which is a LIE. These devices make the weapon capable of a faster trigger pulling rate, but does not make them automatic.

 

[printcraft]

Captain Picard has a word for the gun grabbers.

[video=youtube;Jln3mi0vfJU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jln3mi0vfJU[/video]

 

[Expat]

If we give up anything, it will just show weakness and they will be like sharks with blood in the water.

 

[indiucky]

It sounds like an unsubstantiated and irrational fear of the unknown. There is not a shred of evidence that this is even a likely outcome. Let's not kid ourselves, you are "registering" yourself with every 4473 you fill out. It only makes it to the ATF when the business shutters.

Technically it does not go to the ATF but to a non Governmental storage facility that ATF has access to...IIRC....

 

[spencer rifle]

It sounds like an unsubstantiated and irrational fear of the unknown. There is not a shred of evidence that this is even a likely outcome. Let's not kid ourselves, you are "registering" yourself with every 4473 you fill out. It only makes it to the ATF when the business shutters. The ATF HAS the information, it's laughable to believe that digitizing the records of defunct businesses could lead to mass confiscation...it's irrational. It's just as irrational as the left's fear of "assault rifles".

They're actually afraid of "assault weapons" (which they can never quite define). "Assault rifle" has a certain specific meaning (full auto). I'm not sure how you don't know this.

 

[printcraft]

It sounds like an unsubstantiated and irrational fear of the unknown. There is not a shred of evidence that this is even a likely outcome. Let's not kid ourselves, you are "registering" yourself with every 4473 you fill out. It only makes it to the ATF when the business shutters. The ATF HAS the information, it's laughable to believe that digitizing the records of defunct businesses could lead to mass confiscation...it's irrational. It's just as irrational as the left's fear of "assault rifles".

 

[Route 45]

The ATF HAS the information, it's laughable to believe that digitizing the records of defunct businesses could lead to mass confiscation...it's irrational. It's just as irrational as the left's fear of "assault rifles".

It doesn't necessarily lead to confiscation. Just makes it easier.

No one is coming for your guns. And if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Incrementalism.

With the ATF records, they have a paper trail as to who owns what. A small shift (statistically) in political leadership and we could have a small step along the Australian Model gun ban. "We don't want your all guns, just the bad ones, like.... semi-auto .50 cal."

Reference to indexed, easy to use ATF records, and they can find everyone who's purchased semi-auto .50 cal. Send out the investigators and it becomes very easy.

Now, can they do that with the current system, yeah- sorta, but the budgeting for resources makes it impractical. And that's ok with me.

Yes, there is a hard tradeoff when you and your colleagues are working hard to solve crimes. It takes longer. They are looking for a single needle in a massive room full of needles. Just IMHO, that's an ok tradeoff, but I can see how reasonable people could disagree on the matter.

You know that's not true. It just shows the first person who bought it from the gun store, not who currently owns it.

 

[sparky32]

So you're assuming a ban would allow retention of the ones that are out there?

Hopefully, we won't have to find out.

I've fired enough real full-auto weapons to know that full auto isn't all that orgasmic and simulating it is just a waste of money, but I hate to see more laws.

I do not want to find out either. Im implying if it were to happen it would mostly likley be grandfathered. I would think these would be the silly things posted on armslist.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Seems naive to think every government program is used responsibly and never for purposes outside of its original scope.

 

[long coat]

You know that's not true. It just shows the first person who bought it from the gun store, not who currently owns it.

How many states require a FFL for private sales?

 

[jagee]

You know that's not true. It just shows the first person who bought it from the gun store, not who currently owns it.

Yeah, I own a few guns. The only 4473's I've EVER filled out were on 3 different occasions for a stripped AR lower. I currently own 2 of the 3. ALL of my guns were obtained legally.

 

[HoughMade]

...ALL of my guns were obtained legally.

Nice to know.

 

[chipbennett]

There is a perception that the country music fan is typically a white, God-fearing conservative. It's not correct, but I can see how a seething leftist bent on mass murder might make this assumption. We don't know this *******'s motives yet, but it is certainly possible that this is a factor. It doesn't matter what your mom thinks. It only matters what the shooter thought.

[Citation Needed]

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/w...servatives-and-country-musics-complex-history

 

[jagee]

Nice to know.

Thought I better include that. CYA and all, ya know.

 

[T.Lex]

It sounds like an unsubstantiated and irrational fear of the unknown. There is not a shred of evidence that this is even a likely outcome. Let's not kid ourselves, you are "registering" yourself with every 4473 you fill out. It only makes it to the ATF when the business shutters. The ATF HAS the information, it's laughable to believe that digitizing the records of defunct businesses could lead to mass confiscation...it's irrational. It's just as irrational as the left's fear of "assault rifles".

England, Australia, what certain current US politicians actually say and try to legislate. My friend, there is ample evidence that the path is on the map.

It doesn't necessarily lead to confiscation. Just makes it easier.

A whole bunch of ^^^.

You know that's not true. It just shows the first person who bought it from the gun store, not who currently owns it.

Wait. I'm not sure you read everything that I said.

I said, "... they can find everyone who's purchased...." That may or may not be the current owner. That's where competent, well trained investigators (such as yourself) get sent to start the investigation.

I know a guy who, every time there's a fire drill, grabs his bag and runs down the stairs as if there's a real fire. He kinda has an irrational fear of being caught in a burning building.

Until you learn that his office 16 years ago was in NYC and he watched the planes hit the WTC.

I lived through the AWB. I never thought I'd live to see it sunset. I'd really like to not go back to that incrementalism, or anything like it.


ETA:
Aw crap. I just saw the vague part. "Purchased" meant from an FFL, but I didn't say that. Sorry about that. Yes, it wouldn't count "purchased" from a private seller. Sincere apologies for that oversight on my part.

 

[printcraft]

The government would never go outside the scope of law to punish or persecute political enemies.

Swear to God!