Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[Kutnupe14]

Just as long as Messina stays at home. Solo stuff only.

I forgot they used to work together.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

My mom listens to country because she likes the artists. Goes to concerts, too.

She hates guns, couldn't give less of a **** about politics.

 

[indiucky]

Guns are what the user makes of them. They’re tools, toys, collectibles, conversation pieces, etcetera.

[video=youtube;xgW-gxJmKEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgW-gxJmKEM[/video]

 

[jagee]

But gunpowder can melt steel!

I believe you're thinking of jet fuel.

 

[T.Lex]

To what end? What will the politician do with the ATF records?

Incrementalism.

With the ATF records, they have a paper trail as to who owns what. A small shift (statistically) in political leadership and we could have a small step along the Australian Model gun ban. "We don't want your all guns, just the bad ones, like.... semi-auto .50 cal."

Reference to indexed, easy to use ATF records, and they can find everyone who's purchased semi-auto .50 cal. Send out the investigators and it becomes very easy.

Now, can they do that with the current system, yeah- sorta, but the budgeting for resources makes it impractical. And that's ok with me.

Yes, there is a hard tradeoff when you and your colleagues are working hard to solve crimes. It takes longer. They are looking for a single needle in a massive room full of needles. Just IMHO, that's an ok tradeoff, but I can see how reasonable people could disagree on the matter.

 

[Ericpwp]

If I understand correctly, the anti-gun argument is that things would have been so much better if the guy that was also a private pilot that owned two aircraft had been forced to pick a different method of attacking the densely packed crowd at the concert being held next to an airport.

Wow, true.

 

[Hawkeye]

To what end? What will the politician do with the ATF records?

If we are talking about a computerization of ATF records of Firearms purchases, it seems to me that that is very close to a registration. Some people would think that makes it easier to confiscate firearms.

 

[femurphy77]

touché. That's not being picky. I'd rather the correct information be heard.

(Not for you Kut, for the thought of accurate info on the interwebz!)

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Australia offers to help US with gun reform - Channel NewsAsia

Australia can go **** itself with a rake.

 

[PistolBob]

I won't be surprised when we find out he had no full auto weapons.

 

[jbombelli]

I didn't believe the brother's extemporaneous biography of his brother. Now having a few more facts from the investigation, the brother is more obviously a freaking liar. He knows a lot more than he is telling. You don't collect firearms over all of those years and not discuss firearms and politics associated therewith with a sibling while on the other hand brag about your gambling winnings. The brother is hiding more than he's said.

I think I agree with this.

 

[Vigilant]

It's really a dumb problem born out of fear.

Nevermind already been said.

 

[CraigAPS]

I won't be surprised when we find out he had no full auto weapons.

From a report on the radio this morning, he used 7.62 and .223 rifles (according to said news report, "both known to be capable of penetrating police body armor") with "modified bump stocks to imitate full auto fire."

 

[Route 45]

My mom listens to country because she likes the artists. Goes to concerts, too.

She hates guns, couldn't give less of a **** about politics.

There is a perception that the country music fan is typically a white, God-fearing conservative. It's not correct, but I can see how a seething leftist bent on mass murder might make this assumption. We don't know this *******'s motives yet, but it is certainly possible that this is a factor. It doesn't matter what your mom thinks. It only matters what the shooter thought.

 

[injb]

Don't know if anyone posted this already, but here's a video tour of the actual hotel room, recorded by someone who stayed there some time ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshfZRcq404


There's a longer more detailed version on FB and various news sites.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Seeing a lot on the "right" calling for a ban on bump-stocks as a reasonable measure.

Looks like they might win something out of this after all.

 

[T.Lex]

Seeing a lot on the "right" calling for a ban on bump-stocks as a reasonable measure.

Looks like they might win something out of this after all.

I continue to have no interest in them, but am VERY concerned about that level of incrementalism. Literally, the same effect can be had without paying $100 or whatever.

 

[printcraft]

Where's the "I'm leaving because. . . ." thread? This guy's full of. . .himself!

He's full of something all right.

 

[PaulF]

Seeing a lot on the "right" calling for a ban on bump-stocks as a reasonable measure.

Looks like they might win something out of this after all.

It's a response to the "we have to do something" crowd.

Offer up low-hanging fruit in hopes of staving off the coming harvest.

Too many of the possible outcomes involve me losing liberty to some extent. I'll willingly give up some of my liberty if I honestly believe it is the only way to better living conditions for all others, but "it makes me feel better" falls well short of that mark in my book.

 

[sparky32]

Seeing a lot on the "right" calling for a ban on bump-stocks as a reasonable measure.

Looks like they might win something out of this after all.

I can see it now.... " pre ban bumpstock 1000 dollars"