Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

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Didn't bump-fire get approved through an ATF ruling? Couldn't the ATF rescind the ruling or would a ban on bump-fire and similar devices require new law?

 

[BigMatt]

I am playing speculating here...

IF this guy was a liberal, hated guns and wanted to promote gun control measures, he did everything perfectly.

1) He obtained a large cache of weapons and ammo legally
2) He used legal methods to obtain a high rate of fire (bumpstocks).
3) He modified legal guns illegally to achieve the same results.
4) He shot up a country music festival (full of Trump supporters as said by some news outlets/executives).
5) The event was highly publicized and was full of people filming. (A lot of audio to inject into news reports by the liberal media).

At the very least, bumpstocks are going away. Maybe tannerite will also go away.

 

[jamil]

Fox News gets blamed for a lot of stuff by people that don't watch Fox News. Some folks will even tell you that in the same sentence as they are bashing. FNC is not perfect, they have some noticeable flaws. What's the alternative?

Anyway, Laura Ingram certainly got a couple things wrong commenting on the Fudd News Channel this morning. She certainly took the correct stand in my mind though against the anti gun dems. She basically said we're NOT going to have a "discussion about guns." If the dems want to talk guns, they can make it an election issue. Bring it.

It’s not like I’ve never watched Fox News. I stopped watching it for a reason. And where else to get news? Social media. Take it all in. Use human capacity for reasoning to determine what’s real and what’s not. There’s too much “what’s not” on fox news to rely upon it as a sole source. If you’re drinking from the same trough, you may not notice when the water turns bitter.

 

[T.Lex]

Didn't bump-fire get approved through an ATF ruling? Couldn't the ATF rescind the ruling or would a ban on bump-fire and similar devices require new law?

I do not know the legal authority that allows bumpfire, but have also heard it is based on an ATF ruling.

Assuming that to be true, then it can be changed by a new ATF ruling.

Legislation specific to a situation would always trump an ATF ruling.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Not surprisingly, guns for me but not for thee.

REPORT: Jimmy Kimmel Bulks Up His Security As He Lectures Americans On Gun Control | Daily Wire

 

[jamil]

I am playing speculating here...

IF this guy was a liberal, hated guns and wanted to promote gun control measures, he did everything perfectly.

1) He obtained a large cache of weapons and ammo legally
2) He used legal methods to obtain a high rate of fire (bumpstocks).
3) He modified legal guns illegally to achieve the same results.
4) He shot up a country music festival (full of Trump supporters as said by some news outlets/executives).
5) The event was highly publicized and was full of people filming. (A lot of audio to inject into news reports by the liberal media).

At the very least, bumpstocks are going away. Maybe tannerite will also go away.

Those things don’t have to go away. Not one inch further.

 

[Expat]

Not really related, but kinda... Just got this in an email from The Firearms Blog.

ATF Determines Auto Glove to be a Machine Gun

ATF Determines AutoGlove To Be A Machine Gun - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

I'd never heard of these before, but functionally it doesn't seem to be much different than a bump fire stock.

So ATF has jurisdiction over a clothing item now?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Fox News gets blamed for a lot of stuff by people that don't watch Fox News. Some folks will even tell you that in the same sentence as they are bashing. FNC is not perfect, they have some noticeable flaws. What's the alternative?

Anyway, Laura Ingram certainly got a couple things wrong commenting on the Fudd News Channel this morning. She certainly took the correct stand in my mind though against the anti gun dems. She basically said we're NOT going to have a "discussion about guns." If the dems want to talk guns, they can make it an election issue. Bring it.

It’s not like I’ve never watched Fox News. I stopped watching it for a reason. And where else to get news? Social media. Take it all in. Use human capacity for reasoning to determine what’s real and what’s not. There’s too much “what’s not” on fox news to rely upon it as a sole source. If you’re drinking from the same trough, you may not notice when the water turns bitter.

It's still my goto source when I need to watch live news. But I don't depend on it for exactly the kind of crap I mentioned earlier. They're better than CNN and MSNBC but that's not good enough.

 

[T.Lex]

So ATF has jurisdiction over a clothing item now?

Well, yes, if it converts a semi to a full.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Didn't bump-fire get approved through an ATF ruling? Couldn't the ATF rescind the ruling or would a ban on bump-fire and similar devices require new law?

Here is the slide fire ATF approval dated 2010... which I found, at the time, and still find amazing that this was approved by the ATF under the Obama administration... I'm neither advocating nor condemning the device, but given that people with worn sears have been prosecuted for NFA violations, this blows my mind.

https://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf

 

[Kutnupe14]

Didn't bump-fire get approved through an ATF ruling? Couldn't the ATF rescind the ruling or would a ban on bump-fire and similar devices require new law?

Oh yeah, they certainly can. I doubt they will go the ex post facto route and make existing devices illegal, but they certainly can (and I wouldn't be surprised) if they end up being class III items, requiring registration (of new and existing devices).

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Didn't bump-fire get approved through an ATF ruling? Couldn't the ATF rescind the ruling or would a ban on bump-fire and similar devices require new law?

I believe it did, after they evaluated it. Not sure if they could just rescind that ruling or not. They seem to be not totally under the sway of Congress in some of their "rules" and are allowed to interpret them as they wish.

 

[T.Lex]

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/2/16401510/las-vegas-shooting-deadliest

Definitions are important.

And, frankly, I think the real history provides important data points in this discussion. Guns are tools. They are useful for both haters and the hated.

 

[bwframe]

It’s not like I’ve never watched Fox News. I stopped watching it for a reason. And where else to get news? Social media. Take it all in. Use human capacity for reasoning to determine what’s real and what’s not. There’s too much “what’s not” on fox news to rely upon it as a sole source. If you’re drinking from the same trough, you may not notice when the water turns bitter.

So getting your news from social media is more reliable than a real news organization? So you pick the news you agree with then? How exactly do you find and pick the news you agree with? Links?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Not really related, but kinda... Just got this in an email from The Firearms Blog.

ATF Determines Auto Glove to be a Machine Gun

ATF Determines AutoGlove To Be A Machine Gun - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

I'd never heard of these before, but functionally it doesn't seem to be much different than a bump fire stock.

Pretty neat. I'd never heard of them before.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Not surprisingly, guns for me but not for thee.

REPORT: Jimmy Kimmel Bulks Up His Security As He Lectures Americans On Gun Control | Daily Wire

I heard Jimmy's monologue and he sarcastically said something about the founding fathers drafting the 2nd Amendment to guarantee the right of Americans to own AK 47s.

Funny how he doesn't insist that his security people only carry muskets.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Well, yes, if it converts a semi to a full.

So yoga pants are registered now?

 

[rvb]

Oh yeah, they certainly can. I doubt they will go the ex post facto route and make existing devices illegal, but they certainly can (and I wouldn't be surprised) if they end up being class III items, requiring registration (of new and existing devices).

that would violate '86 FOPA. [edit: unless you're saying these would be some new definition of firearms, but not MGs... that would take legislation. Or I guess an amnesty.]

ATF has changed their minds before, deciding certain items were NFA MGs, requiring their owners destroy or turn them in (I'm thinking of a 10/22 conversion in early 2000s... 'adkins' device, or something like that)

-rvb

 

[hoosierdoc]

Fox News gets blamed for a lot of stuff by people that don't watch Fox News. Some folks will even tell you that in the same sentence as they are bashing. FNC is not perfect, they have some noticeable flaws. What's the alternative?

Anyway, Laura Ingram certainly got a couple things wrong commenting on the Fudd News Channel this morning. She certainly took the correct stand in my mind though against the anti gun dems. She basically said we're NOT going to have a "discussion about guns." If the dems want to talk guns, they can make it an election issue. Bring it.

She had John Lott on her radio show Monday. He is not a gun guy, he is a researcher. He said several things that were wrong and she seemed irritated with him. He is fine for stats but not a gun expert in any way.

 

[HoughMade]

Didn't bump-fire get approved through an ATF ruling? Couldn't the ATF rescind the ruling or would a ban on bump-fire and similar devices require new law?

If there is a specific letter, ruling, etc. that says they comply with current law, yes, you would think so....but there's no law against going back, taking a second look, and determining you made a mistake earlier. At least there's no law against it until it happens and is challenged in court.