A Look At The Islamic State

[Kutnupe14]

In an asymmetric war? The Army War College is interested in how to accomplish this.


Hard for me to talk about Iran without mentioning the total lack of a comprehensive, coherent foreign policy. [sigh]

I'm not opposed to engagement with Iran on a 'common enemy' type basis. Would potentially be a good source of intel. Plus, there's a Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra type dimension to it.

You have me totally lost on what direction Iraq was trending, unless you mean towards disintegration. In 1992 Iraq should have been split into 3 countries. In 2008, it should have been split. Now, it is splitting.


You lost me on who "they" are. Daesh competed successfully on the battlefield against trained military - Iraq, Syria, and I think Libya - and won. Not sure how to count the Kurds - maybe paramilitary?

Daesh's actions prove they are a regional threat. For now.

I said "professional," lol. The nations you mentioned have "soldiers" that barely qualify to have the label, and most given the turmoil in their nations, probably did more so to collect a paycheck, than civic duty.

 

[Cygnus]

I'm late here....who the heck is this Daesh guy?

Arabic initials for ISIS/ISIL.

They don't like it.

Funny to see many Arab news outlets refer to the group as Daesh.

Daesh is actually a word for something about feet. Arabs use as an insult for the religious nut jobs.

INGO linkage:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...1-i-wonder-right-isil-isis-2.html#post5630383

 

[T.Lex]

I said "professional," lol. The nations you mentioned have "soldiers" that barely qualify to have the label, and most given the turmoil in their nations, probably did more so to collect a paycheck, than civic duty.

Then I'm even more confused by what you said.

Honestly, other than being a bunch of evil murderous sobs, what legitimate threat are they to middle eastern powers? They can't field a competent army against any professional force.

Which ME countries (other than Israel - I think we would get rare INGO unanimity on the professionalism of the IDF) do you consider having a professional force.

I'll spot you Iran. Mostly.

 

[T.Lex]

Daesh is actually a word for something about feet. Arabs use as an insult for the religious nut jobs.

INGO linkage:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...1-i-wonder-right-isil-isis-2.html#post5630383

Just to additionally crosslink to a publication (which is secondary to the primary sources in your link):
Words matter in ?ISIS? war, so use ?Daesh? - Opinion - The Boston Globe

The term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term.

 

[printcraft]

Just to additionally crosslink to a publication (which is secondary to the primary sources in your link):

The term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term.

Daesh can suck it. I typed it, does the tongue thing still apply or is it a finger???

 

[T.Lex]

Daesh can suck it. I typed it, does the tongue thing still apply or is it a finger???

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I tried typing that with... uh... a different appendage. Sorry for the misspellings, it can be hard to handle sometimes.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Edit: Yeah, she was the only known remaining US hostage:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/565169466125086720

Scratch that. The White House just said in press conference there is at least one other American hostage being held in the Middle East

 

[mrjarrell]

Payback's a *****. The Yazdi's are taking some measure of revenge against the people who may have sided with IS against them in their sweep through Iraq. This won't help stem sectarian conflict, but it was probably inevitable.

Iraqi Yazidis take revenge as Islamic State atrocities unearthed

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Another day, another video. This one of a Syrian prisoner shot close-range w/ shotgun

ISIS' Syrian prisoner killed with a shotgun in execution video following Jordanian pilot | Daily Mail Online

 

[T.Lex]

Isn't that just a variation of Biden's suggestion?

(Is that a Mossberg with a pistol grip? Who said those weren't practical....)

 

[pudly]

Another day, another video. This one of a Syrian prisoner shot close-range w/ shotgun

ISIS' Syrian prisoner killed with a shotgun in execution video following Jordanian pilot | Daily Mail Online

They keep looking for more ways to hideously kill prisoners. I figure they'll get to boiling in oil and drawing and quartering at some point.

 

[mrjarrell]

I think everyone needs to stop posting and watching these IS videos. In the same way that printing the name of spree killers gives them a thrill, these IS scum get a thrill seeing their view counts go up. Everyone should ignore their snuff films and not give them the satisfaction of watching innocent people being murdered.

 

[T.Lex]

While I commend the moral position, I do think Daesh doesn't give a rat's rear end whether people watch or not. Plus, "we" are not really their target audience.

 

[T.Lex]

Just putting this here:
White House Stalled ISIS Rescue. Foley, Sotloff, and Mueller Died. - The Daily Beast

Then, in early June, London had a “positive identification and that information was shared with Washington,” said a British source. The delay of nearly a month before the rescue bid was mounted remains a source of bewilderment for British officials.
But a U.S. official said that inside the White House, Obama’s senior national-security advisers were not willing to base a raid on intelligence developed by a foreign service. “The issue was that they didn’t trust it, and they wanted to develop and mature the intelligence, because it wasn’t our own,” said the U.S. official, who asked to remain anonymous when discussing sensitive hostage-rescue efforts.
“They got the information. They just didn’t trust it. And they did sit on it, there’s no doubt about that,” the official said.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

apparently ISIS has taken a town in Iraq that's about 7 miles from the US base where we're training Iraqis.

Could we engage sooner than expected? Looking for link...

Edit:

Gateway Pundit is so sensational when it comes to anything, so CTS on that one

Iraqi airbase used by Marines attacked after Islamic State takes over nearby town - Washington Times

ISIS SEIZES RAMADI CITY ? 300 US Marines Trapped at Base ? Contact With Base Lost | The Gateway Pundit

 

[mrjarrell]

Islamic State fighters seize western Iraqi town: officials

 

[mrjarrell]

Looks like Obama is willing to put some boots on the ground. To kill selected targets.

Obama says special forces could target Islamic State leaders

 

[T.Lex]

And another chapter unfolds... Coptic Christians taken prisoner by Daesh:
BBC News - Egypt ready for Libya evacuations as IS hostage photos emerge

Egypt has offered to evacuate its citizens from Libya after Islamic State (IS) released photos which it says show 21 Coptic Egyptians kidnapped there.
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A number of Egyptian Coptic Christians were kidnapped in two raids in Sirte, Libya, in December and January.
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The IS photographs show the captives with their hands cuffed behind their backs being marched in single file, lead by masked men dressed entirely in black.
The hostages are dressed in bright orange jumpsuits - the type worn by captives about to be executed by IS.
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The militant group said the Egyptians had been recently kidnapped to avenge the fate of Muslim women "tortured and murdered by the Coptic church of Egypt".
The magazine says the group's expansion into Libya allows it "to easily capture Coptic crusaders".

More on Coptic Christians:
Copts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Copts are one of the oldest Christian communities in the Middle East. Although integrated in the larger Egyptian nation, the Copts have survived as a distinct religious community forming around 10–20% of the population....

 

[ArcadiaGP]

8 ISIS terrorists infiltrated Ayn-Al Asad wearing Iraqi military uniforms. Everyone of them was killed. No Marines have been harmed.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

AND HERE. WE. GO.


CNN JUST IN: U.S. helicopter gunships deployed to engage ISIS near al-Baghdadi