17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[IndyDave1776]

How many dogs are we talking about here? Assuming for the sake of argument that these 'bites' were totally unwarranted, that still doesn't prove anything about dogs on the whole.



Even if Zimmerman is a racist killer, that doesn't prove anything about race relations in the US. But to those quick to jump to generalizations, one killing does a social problem make.

I have seen several situations at various times and levels of severity. I prefer not to discuss some of the worse examples openly.

 

[griffin]

Contrast that to the Indiana prosecutor in this thread who released a memo supporting the rights of citizens to defend themselves and refusing to put them before a grand jury despite the sheriff wanting him to

Can a parallel be made here to the detective who wanted Zimmerman to be arrested but the prosecutor refused? Perhaps the detective was one of those LEOs who don't think ordinary citizens have the right to carry firearms and be able to defend themselves.

 

[Fargo]

Can a parallel be made here to the detective who wanted Zimmerman to be arrested but the prosecutor refused? Perhaps the detective was one of those LEOs who don't think ordinary citizens have the right to carry firearms and be able to defend themselves.

Not at present, as we don't know whether the Florida prosecutor believed a crime had occurred but recognized he couldn't prove it; versus whether he believed that no crime had occurred.

We also don't know if the detective recognizes legal self-defense but didn't believe that was what happened here; versus whether he is an anti-gunner.

In the Trafalgar case, the memo makes it clear exactly what is going on.

Best,

Joe

 

[Kutnupe14]

Exactly. This case is atypical.

New Nation News - Black-on-White Crime

Taken from here: http://www.black-and-right.com/

Did you just REALLY post a link from a white supremist website???
C'mon dude, you not helping perceptions.
It makes no difference what race someone is, scumbags are found in many forms.

 

[griffin]

we don't know whether the Florida prosecutor believed a crime had occurred but recognized he couldn't prove it

Since evidence is what points to crime v. self defense, why would you say the prosecutor might think he was guilty of a crime but couldn't prove it? That sounds like prosecutorial bias, wanting to put someone in prison despite evidence to the contrary.

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

 

[Pocketman]

Exactly. This case is atypical.

New Nation News - Black-on-White Crime

Taken from here: http://www.black-and-right.com/

I also read somewhere that a disproportionate percentage of prostitutes are women.

 

[Fargo]

Since evidence is what points to crime v. self defense, why would you say the prosecutor might think he was guilty of a crime but couldn't prove it? That sounds like prosecutorial bias, wanting to put someone in prison despite evidence to the contrary.

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

First, there is a huge difference between "evidence" and "evidence that is admissible in court" so there is that issue. Try reading through the rules of evidence and you will see that tons of legally relevant evidence can be inadmissible; nevermind anything involving the exclusionary rule.

Plus, I would think there are probably tons of times where a prosecutor can be reasonably certain a crime occurred but know that there is little to no chance of proving it beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 random citizens; especially with a defense attorney doing everything he can to obscure, obfuscate, and confuse those same 12.

There is no bias implied in this, it is simply a recognition of reality.

For example, a local jury came back "not guilty" on a prosecutor I knows case. They explained that while they unanimously believed the defendant to be actually guilty, there was a reasonable way that she possibly was not. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a really high standard, basically proving there was NO reasonable way that the defendant could be innocent.

Joe

 

[griffin]

there is a huge difference between "evidence" and "evidence that is admissible in court"

This is why I asked. I am an engineer, not an attorney.

So, speculating, what in this case could be evidence of Zimmerman's guilt yet not admissible?

 

[griffin]

I also read somewhere that a disproportionate percentage of prostitutes are women.

I'm stealing that.

 

[churchmouse]

New info out today boy's......The video does show his head was smacked against the ground...Now, carry on.

 

[blamecharles]

New info out today boy's......The video does show his head was smacked against the ground...Now, carry on.

Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video - Orlando Sentinel

 

[Expat]

Will ABC take back the witness' address now as well... oh wait, never mind.

 

[blamecharles]

Partial Police Report has been released

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-03/69081607-29132322.pdf

 

[griffin]

Partial Police Report has been released

Yes, that was released quite a while ago. There are a number of documents and statements available on the Sanford website. That is just one of them posted here:

City of Sanford Florida

 

[griffin]

Funny, I don't see Al or Jesse on the news complaining about the 17 year old kid shot early this morning in Sanford.

 

[Pocketman]

Screams on 911 call not George Zimmerman, forensic voice experts say - Crimesider - CBS News

"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

This isn't over yet folks.

 

[J_Wales]

Funny, I don't see Al or Jesse on the news complaining about the 17 year old kid shot early this morning in Sanford.

Maybe they are too busy here?

“Grandma, I’ve Been Shot” Said Girl Hurt In Gang Related Mass Shooting « CBS Miami

 

[Roadie]

Screams on 911 call not George Zimmerman, forensic voice experts say - Crimesider - CBS News

"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

This isn't over yet folks.

Experts say it can't be Martin, experts say it can't be Zimmerman, Martin's dad said it wasnt his son..

Who's on first?

 

[churchmouse]

No validity in the statements they make anymore. Once the "Facts" start to surface they slink away only to emerge during the next opportunity to get their mugs on TV and down the white establishment. I am not a Neo-Nazi or white supremacist but what they thrive on is race baiting.

 

[churchmouse]

Experts say it can't be Martin, experts say it can't be Zimmerman, Martin's dad said it wasnt his son..

Who's on first?

To coin a phrase from my Lifer Military uncles...An "Ex" is a has been and a "Spert" is a drip under pressure. Go figure. How in the heck can you tell over a cell phone from a distance who is what and what is who.

I will not share with you there definition of a "Lifer".................