17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[Kutnupe14]

I think any reasonable person could believe you have infered Zimmerman is guilty of a crime reguardless of the possibility of him be convicted.

Well from the other thing that they haven't been able to "infer," I find that to be quite a stretch.

 

[griffin]

Whoever wrote that article has no understanding of how that section of Florida law actually works and seems to have a serious axe to grind. The arrest is meaningless, rather it is a judicial determination of PC that matters. Whether that happens in a criminal or civil case is irrelevant.

That's what I thought. Thank you for clearing that up!

 

[Hotdoger]

So you can infer what we think or believe but Zimmerman is off limits to any inferances?

No, I just believe Camels finest is doing the sidestep.

 

[griffin]

In Florida you dont need an arrest for this to go to a civil suit.

I thought they had immunity from civil prosecution on a good shoot.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, I just believe Camels finest is doing the sidestep.

And you are entitled to your beliefs as long as you don't tread so far as to call them fact; at which point, I will expect you to back it up with post.

 

[Hotdoger]

Well from the other thing that they haven't been able to "infer," I find that to be quite a stretch.

"and we have no idea who it was. However one of them illustrated their stupidity first, and illegal acts and stupidity often go hand in hand. "

Could you clarify your inferances in that statement of yours for me?

Seems to me your are refering to Zimmerman.

 

[griffin]

Why is everyone distracted by this? There are much more important issues.

More important than the legal repercussions that can affect all gun owners, whether you live in Florida or not? Wow.

 

[griffin]

What are the odds, that once Zimmerman is found innocent, there will be some riots with looting

Nothing heals the wounds of injustice like a 60" plasma TV and couple pair of Nikes.

 

[griffin]

Uh, where is this 2:30 am coming from? As I recall this happened about 7:00 pm during daylight.

Sunset on March 7th, the day of the incident happened at 6:30 that evening.

The incident happened on Feb. 26 and sunset was 6:22 PM. This happened about 7:15, so it was probably not very light as it was almost an hour after sunset.

 

[griffin]

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[semperfi211]

What is the difference between murder 1 murder 2 and manslaughter? I haven't been to law school or ever been a leo.
I have thought that murder 1 was premeditated. Something you plan out and think about.
Manslaughter is a spur of the moment thing. You don't go out planning to kill someone but someone pisses you off and you kill them.
Is that correct? So what is murder 2? Somewhere in between?

 

[TiminMishawaka]

Nothing heals the wounds of injustice like a 60" plasma TV and couple pair of Nikes.

I wouldn't worry too much about the rioting. People who riot only tear up their own neighborhoods and the only people not prepared for them are anti-gun liberals.

 

[Bond 281]

What is the difference between murder 1 murder 2 and manslaughter? I haven't been to law school or ever been a leo.
I have thought that murder 1 was premeditated. Something you plan out and think about.
Manslaughter is a spur of the moment thing. You don't go out planning to kill someone but someone pisses you off and you kill them.
Is that correct? So what is murder 2? Somewhere in between?

Murder 2 is what you're calling manslaughter. Manslaughter is (I think) when you kill somebody but didn't intent to do so.

 

[Ted]

Just a question: Did the kid live in this gated community?

If he did, okay. If not, how did he get in?

 

[hornadylnl]

Just a question: Did the kid live in this gated community?

If he did, okay. If not, how did he get in?

 

[Ted]

I can't find the answer, and I'm not scrolling through 250 pages to find it.

 

[ATOMonkey]

What is the difference between murder 1 murder 2 and manslaughter? I haven't been to law school or ever been a leo.
I have thought that murder 1 was premeditated. Something you plan out and think about.
Manslaughter is a spur of the moment thing. You don't go out planning to kill someone but someone pisses you off and you kill them.
Is that correct? So what is murder 2? Somewhere in between?

I have posted definitions of Florida law in this thread. Just search my username.

Basically

Murder 1) You planned it out and killed someone

Murder 2) You did something you knew was dangerous and would probably get people killed and you did it anyway because you have "depraved indifference" to the lives of others.

Murder 3 aka Manslaughter) You were acting in a reckless manner and that resulted in the death of someone. There are several types of manslaughter and aggrevating factors. Vehicular (drunk driving), Vessel (drunk boating), neglect of a dependant child, etc.

There is also excusable homicide. You were in a car wreck on someone died. You were following all laws and were stone sober.

Then of course, you also have Self Defense Homicide.

Homicide is defined differently in each state and each country. So, it all depends on where the killing happened as to what charge my be applicable.

http://law.justia.com/codes/florida/2005/TitleXLVI/ch0782.html

 

[ATOMonkey]

Florida also has a definition for the Unnecessary Killing to Prevent an Unlawful Act 782.11

Which basically says you can't kill someone for say...trying to rob your neighbor's house.

 

[HICKMAN]

I can't find the answer, and I'm not scrolling through 250 pages to find it.

suspended from school and staying with father's girlfriend.

 

[Hotdoger]

Just a question: Did the kid live in this gated community?

If he did, okay. If not, how did he get in?

Aparment complex with automated vehicle gates where you enter a code to go in and out.

He was there staying with his father.