WI range turns in names of customers to police who run background checks on all.

[Mackey]

Brew City Shooters Supply | Facebook

There are a few comments that are worth reading. One might even be from an INGOer.

Thanks for the link. Some of the more pithy comments as of this date (in case they get censored):

Under a picture of the shop: "Where is the table with the fax machine sending customer data directly to the police."

Under a section about specials:
"Do the police background checks cost extra or are those included in the prices of the specials."

Under a section about shooting range costs:
"Does that $15 include the cost of unwarranted background checks?!"

 

[Bunnykid68]

The only person that takes possession of my State issued ID is the Police Officer that needs it for an Official Investigation into a crime or infraction

I guess I am pretty naive. I had no idea that people were willing to give a private business their official state issued documents in order to frequent their establishment.

Maybe this post will cause people to re-think their willingness to hand over their "papers" to those who demand them for frivolous reasons.

Do not hold your breath. People have been giving up their SSN for years and nobody was ever supposed to see that info but the IRS and an employer.

 

[sloughfoot]

Do not hold your breath. People have been giving up their SSN for years and nobody was ever supposed to see that info but the IRS and an employer.

Sigh.... I know you are right.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Sigh.... I know you are right.

I should make that my new sig line

 

[PeaShooter]

I still don't think I would frequent ANYPLACE that wants to know who I am before I can use their facility on a casual basis.

I would not want to join any club that would have me as a member....

 

[moosebag]

Midwest gun range holds your DL while shooting in their range. Gives it back when you are finished.

 

[hooky]

Midwest gun range holds your DL while shooting in their range. Gives it back when you are finished.

I get nervous when I hand my debit card to the gal working the drive through when I stop for coffee in the morning. I couldn't imagine giving someone my DL with my photo, home address and signature on it and having it be out my sight for an extended period of time.

 

[Hoosierdood]

Some ranges will hold your ID while you are using their facilities just in case anything happens. I know a local range here that was vandalized by someone using armor piercing ammo. They started holding your ID after that happened, because they had no way of knowing who did the damage. There's nothing on my Drivers license that someone couldn't get otherwise with a little digging.

Sure, there are other ways of keeping track, but ID is an easy one. What worries me about the range in Wisconsin is what they do with that info once they have it. I don't ever give out my SSN unless it is required.

 

[brentlh]

The only person that takes possession of my State issued ID is the Police Officer that needs it for an Official Investigation into a crime or infraction

I guess I am pretty naive. I had no idea that people were willing to give a private business their official state issued documents in order to frequent their establishment.

Maybe this post will cause people to re-think their willingness to hand over their "papers" to those who demand them for frivolous reasons.

Canoe Country in Daleville also holds your DL until the end of the trip. I just assumed they wanted to make sure you didn't paddle to the Ohio with their canoe. Now I might rethink this.

 

[GBuck]

This is disturbing. I'm sure it's a deal they set up with the ATF or local officials to allow them to do SOMETHING that they otherwise were not allowed to do. It's sickening and sounds terribly illegal. I hope it is illegal and they get fried.

 

[sloughfoot]

This is disturbing. I'm sure it's a deal they set up with the ATF or local officials to allow them to do SOMETHING that they otherwise were not allowed to do. It's sickening and sounds terribly illegal. I hope it is illegal and they get fried.

How can it be illegal?

Why would the government rule that a SNITCH has committed an illegal act?

The government is your friend and the information they obtain from snitches is only used to protect you and the public at large.

 

[GBuck]

How can it be illegal?

Why would the government rule that a SNITCH has committed an illegal act?

The government is your friend and the information they obtain from snitches is only used to protect you and the public at large.

Um, because there are rules for police running the history of citizens? How bout a privacy issue with the company disseminating personal information without authorization?

 

[sloughfoot]

Please join us in the world that we all live in.

The government does what it wants, whenever it wants. When a snitch, private citizen/business, sends information to the government expecting a response, the government will respond with as much information as they can, or that they think is appropriate to provide.

They will also make a record of the request and their own response. The response is what is kept in the record, for any future use. I don't think there is any allegation that the business has been dessimating any info on individuals to the public, or even that they are informed by the government of the results of the information that they provide to the government in the request.

They, the government, are responding to the snitch. The snitch cannot be denied because they also have rights.

The government has not initiated the query, the citizen/business has. No laws have been violated.

The police are not running citizens, they are responding to the requests of the snitch.

Does this make it more clear?

Sleep well tonight. Maybe someone has called you in. You won't know for a while.

 

[GBuck]

Please join us in the world that we all live in.

The government does what it wants, whenever it wants. When a snitch, private citizen/business, sends information to the government expecting a response, the government will respond with as much information as they can, or that they think is appropriate to provide.

They will also make a record of the request and their own response. The response is what is kept in the record, for any future use. I don't think there is any allegation that the business has been dessimating any info on individuals to the public, or even that they are informed by the government of the results of the information that they provide to the government in the request.

They, the government, are responding to the snitch. The snitch cannot be denied because they also have rights.

The government has not initiated the query, the citizen/business has. No laws have been violated.

The police are not running citizens, they are responding to the requests of the snitch.

Does this make it more clear?

Sleep well tonight. Maybe someone has called you in. You won't know for a while.

A) The bolded is inaccurate.

B) I did not say that the range was disseminating info the the public, it does not have to be to the public. They are sending it without the individual's permission. That is called disseminating. IF the police run the info they are also breaking the law, as they have no RAS or PC to run that individual, anything they find is from a fruitless tree.

C) Please join us in the real world, where you have to have an inkling of what you're talking about in order to be taken seriously.

 

[Bunnykid68]

A few more people have added their thoughts to Brew Citys FB page.

 

[Dirtebiker]

The only person that takes possession of my State issued ID is the Police Officer that needs it for an Official Investigation into a crime or infraction

I guess I am pretty naive. I had no idea that people were willing to give a private business their official state issued documents in order to frequent their establishment.

Maybe this post will cause people to re-think their willingness to hand over their "papers" to those who demand them for frivolous reasons.

You mean like when you purchase alcohol, or tobacco, or rent a car, etc...?

 

[Stschil]

A) The bolded is inaccurate.

B) I did not say that the range was disseminating info the the public, it does not have to be to the public. They are sending it without the individual's permission. That is called disseminating. IF the police run the info they are also breaking the law, as they have no RAS or PC to run that individual, anything they find is from a fruitless tree.

C) Please join us in the real world, where you have to have an inkling of what you're talking about in order to be taken seriously.

I would also add that the article stated that the owner of Brew City Firearms agreed to the arrangement with the local LE. Sounds like it was a condition placed on him by the police, not the other way around.

 

[cobber]

I don't think there's any 4th A issue, unless the police directed the shop to turn over the information.

Unless there's a WI law that authorizes administrative reviews of range membership lists, this is almost certainly invasion of privacy by the gun shop. Sounds like a solid class action suit, and someone's gun shop may be changing hands shortly.

As far as the police 'putting the condition' of disclosure on the shop owner, I would be curious to see the code that authorizes such a thing... except maybe in Chicago and NYC, of course.

 

[JetGirl]

You mean like when you purchase alcohol, or tobacco,

...or a firearm.

 

[Bunnykid68]

You mean like when you purchase alcohol, or tobacco, or rent a car, etc...?

But they do not hang on to your DL during the duration of any of those