Why Don't You Like Ron Paul?

[groovatron]

His unwillingness to defend this nation in a realistic manner.

Most importantly, his followers. Many of them are as rabid, hate filled, and intolerant as Obama's supporters, and worship Paul just as deeply. They would be a bigger threat to our Constitution and freedom than Obama could ever dream of being.

Not into voting for men who lead cults, so I'll never vote for Ron Paul.

Like SavageEagle states, then you wouldn't vote for anybody. Let's see, what exaclty is a cult? According to Webster, it is : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work ......OMG....we are all in a 2A cult!! Just realized this......As far as not defending our country, that's just ridiculous. In no way has Ron Paul ever stated that he would eliminate our countries defenses. He just wants to trim all of the bureaucratical fat. This includes militarily....(ie. private oversees security contracts) And the arguement that he doesn't have a chance so you are wasting a vote is just plain ignorance. With that logic, change and political revolution will never occur and we will just continue to teeter-totter, passing the buck while the bureaucrats roll around in our indecision like a pig in s**t! It seems like all the main right-wing pushers (limbaugh, hannity, savage, levin) spend all there time stirring up controversey and complaining rather than supporting real solutions to real problems. Why don't they come out and support Ron Paul?.....Because they make way more money under the current system.....and guess what.?....this is there true motivation!

 

[groovatron]

I have to disagree with every single point you've made here...

I do not see our current occupations as an attempt at defending our nation. In fact, they are having the opposite effect. Our nation was strong in 2001. It is now...what's the exact opposite of strong?...

Between INGO & Digg, I've read the thoughts of many "Paulbots" and I wouldn't classify any of them as rabid, hate filled, or intolerant. To say that they would be a threat to our Constitution is ignorant.

Ron Paul is not a cult of personality. He's a leader who has helped to make millions of us younger folks aware of our rights & the real intentions of the founding fathers. All I knew, before following Ron Paul's presidential campaign, was what I learned in school...which wasn't much.

Just because a few people take their respect for Dr. Paul too far, it does not mean that most of us do.

If I'm guilty of being a member of any cult, it's the cult of new-formed libertarians (not Libertarians®). If you find fault with libertarian ideals, then I guess we hold opposing views.

Agree 100%

 

[SavageEagle]

Because they make way more money under the current system.....and guess what.?....this is there true motivation!

SHHHH!!! You're going to spook the herd!

 

[level.eleven]

I think I am reading a lot of the same thing. People were not fond of him taking on the military-industrial complex, how much of your tax dollars is spent on it, and the need for 700+ military installations spread across 130 countries. He also questioned the past intervention mentality of the United States. I think these are all appropriate questions. How long can a stable economy be maintained where 20-25 cents of every 1 dollar of tax collected gets spent on military escapades?

The part that is a little funny is the "threat" to the constitution crowd. I mean..."..commerce with all nations, political connections with none.." and "The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." are simply the musings of some old timer named Jefferson. But wait you say! Times have changed...there is no way those old guys could have predicted the world we live in today. Where have I heard that argument before *cough* 2A *cough*.

Oh, just for the record, I have never read any of Dr. Paul's books. I honestly haven't researched the man beyond what was offered during the previous choose your tax master cycle.

 

[groovatron]

SHHHH!!! You're going to spook the herd!

laughs.....

The funny thing is, I listen to all these guys, call there shows, and agree and disagree when I see fit. I have a certain amount of respect for each one of them. Hell, if I had a chance to have my voice heard like that, I would jump on it...........and you can't blame anyone for makin the money....that being said, if you even mention Ron Paul to Mark Levin, (which I have), he will hang up on you instantaneously and continue to tell the world how Ron Paul is a complete fool and he doesn't even want to have his name mentioned on air.....this really frustrates me.......when it comes down to it, we really need to unite, cuz if we don't, I think there is a grim future ahead as the new administration continues to create more mindless slaves to the system.......

 

[truegrit]

The fact that he believes that the war against terror (Iraq,Afghanistan) is an unjust war and has led to to much spending. the war against terror is a war being fought on two fronts Iraq and Afghanistan the first and should have united this country in a way unseen since WWII instead we allowed ourselves to become politically divided over the two battle fronts the strike in Afghanistan drove Al Qaeda into Iraq were they were contained and have been largely defeated and new government is now forming meanwhile in Afghanistan were able to help a new government form their that no longer oppresses woman and is open to western ideas. while their is still much work to be done Paul would take a more isolationist view and leave the work unfinished and Afghanistan to be completely taken over by the Taliban and Al Qaeda. and force an immediate withdraw of troops from Iraq instead of the gradual reduction plan initiated by Pres. Bush and that Pres. Obama is continuing

 

[Paco Bedejo]

and new government is now forming meanwhile in Afghanistan were able to help a new government form their that no longer oppresses woman and is open to western ideas

Yep, because our government is mandated by our Constitution to overthrow nations which are not open to our way of life...

 

[mrjarrell]

The fact that he believes that the war against terror (Iraq,Afghanistan) is an unjust war and has led to to much spending. the war against terror is a war being fought on two fronts Iraq and Afghanistan the first and should have united this country in a way unseen since WWII instead we allowed ourselves to become politically divided over the two battle fronts the strike in Afghanistan drove Al Qaeda into Iraq were they were contained and have been largely defeated and new government is now forming meanwhile in Afghanistan were able to help a new government form their that no longer oppresses woman and is open to western ideas. while their is still much work to be done Paul would take a more isolationist view and leave the work unfinished and Afghanistan to be completely taken over by the Taliban and Al Qaeda. and force an immediate withdraw of troops from Iraq instead of the gradual reduction plan initiated by Pres. Bush and that Pres. Obama is continuing

Actually, Paul is NOT an isolationist. He's a non-interventionist. There's a world of difference. As for his stance on Afghanistan he supported action there, but wanted the Congress to issue a declaration of war. Which would have made a world of difference. He was 100% correct on his stance on Iraq. We had no business going in there, that was just Dubya wanting to finish up what Big Daddy Bush started in GW1. As for withdrawal, he has the right idea. We need to get our guys and girls out of there and Afghanistan asap or sooner. Then we need to start dismantling the military/industrial complex we have allowed to grow like a cancer. Eisenhower warned us about it and no-one listened and now it's like a cancer eating away at our childrens future. A defensive military is what we need, not the current World Police. Afghanistan is going to eat up lives and fortunes and not one thing will ever change, no matter how many years we spend there. Best to call it a day and leave the savages to their fates. The only place you're ever going to get western style anything is Kabul, just like it was under the Taliban. The rest of the "country" belongs to the warlords and tribes.

 

[groovatron]

The fact that he believes that the war against terror (Iraq,Afghanistan) is an unjust war and has led to to much spending. the war against terror is a war being fought on two fronts Iraq and Afghanistan the first and should have united this country in a way unseen since WWII instead we allowed ourselves to become politically divided over the two battle fronts the strike in Afghanistan drove Al Qaeda into Iraq were they were contained and have been largely defeated and new government is now forming meanwhile in Afghanistan were able to help a new government form their that no longer oppresses woman and is open to western ideas. while their is still much work to be done Paul would take a more isolationist view and leave the work unfinished and Afghanistan to be completely taken over by the Taliban and Al Qaeda. and force an immediate withdraw of troops from Iraq instead of the gradual reduction plan initiated by Pres. Bush and that Pres. Obama is continuing

yes...a gradual withdrawl in defeat.....anyway, what does this have to do with our countries defenses? We've lost over 6,000 troops and are nearing 1 trillion in tax payer money. How is this conservative. Worst thing is that I still don't have Bin Laden's head on my mantle. With this attitude, we should start attacking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Korea, etc. It's called imperialism. If we practiced this mentality with our own ctizens on our own soil, there would be complete anarchy.

 

[henktermaat]

As good as RP may seem- don't forget he's just another politician. Not worthy of the worship he gets, that's for damn sure.

Spending 5 minutes on youTube quickly shows me that I don't want to be aligned with his nutcase supporters. Too much frothing and koolaid drinking for me, just like for BH0.

And this garbage of "he's not accepted because if would mean certain people would not get as much money" is socialist, "hate-the-rich" class warfare.

 

[groovatron]

Actually, Paul is NOT an isolationist. He's a non-interventionist. There's a world of difference. As for his stance on Afghanistan he supported action there, but wanted the Congress to issue a declaration of war. Which would have made a world of difference. He was 100% correct on his stance on Iraq. We had no business going in there, that was just Dubya wanting to finish up what Big Daddy Bush started in GW1. As for withdrawal, he has the right idea. We need to get our guys and girls out of there and Afghanistan asap or sooner. Then we need to start dismantling the military/industrial complex we have allowed to grow like a cancer. Eisenhower warned us about it and no-one listened and now it's like a cancer eating away at our childrens future. A defensive military is what we need, not the current World Police. Afghanistan is going to eat up lives and fortunes and not one thing will ever change, no matter how many years we spend there. Best to call it a day and leave the savages to their fates. The only place you're ever going to get western style anything is Kabul, just like it was under the Taliban. The rest of the "country" belongs to the warlords and tribes.

you got my friend!......It's not our job to take care of other countries or give them what we have. With the current administration or the last, it's either socialism here, or socialism there. Well I would personally like to get rid of it all together

 

[SavageEagle]

And this garbage of "he's not accepted because if would mean certain people would not get as much money" is socialist, "hate-the-rich" class warfare.

No, actually it's Anti-class-warfare. It's called making people actually WORK for what they want. It's an amazing concept really....

Let's take the NEA (National Endowment for the Arts) as an example. The government gave them 121 million in tax payer money, but yet artists recieved 2.5 BILLION dollars in private donations. All this happened in 2006. So tell me why we need the NEA?

And all these programs out there just like the NEA who get their money from the government need to be abolished. That's what RP is fighting for. Not class warfare.

 

[Fletch]

And this garbage of "he's not accepted because if would mean certain people would not get as much money" is socialist, "hate-the-rich" class warfare.

This statement makes no sense at all.

ETA: I'm trying not to post much in this thread, because every time I do it turns into a "why I don't like Republicans" post, which isn't the theme of the thread.

 

[tyler34]

I say we vote in sheriff joe arpio! and groovatron I'm jealous you live in proximity of the calumet bakery.

 

[level.eleven]

As good as RP may seem- don't forget he's just another politician. Not worthy of the worship he gets, that's for damn sure.

I agree, with a caveat. Modern media make these men out to be this way and it seems to appeal most to the those with....I don't know how to say this nicely. It appeals to the weaker minds and those that are impressionable to the perceived safety of group think.

Spending 5 minutes on youTube quickly shows me that I don't want to be aligned with his nutcase supporters. Too much frothing and koolaid drinking for me, just like for BH0.

I said the same thing once these "tea parties" drew out the nut cases. The language, the imagery, not something I am down with. I don't really want to be photographed next to the guy with a sign saying "I read the Turner Diaries and I know how they end" or "...time to water the tree of liberty". I'm sure not all tea parties are like this, and honestly its not the main reason I don't get excited them. But, that is another thread.

And this garbage of "he's not accepted because if would mean certain people would not get as much money" is socialist, "hate-the-rich" class warfare.

I don't see the class warfare angle that you are seeing. Dr. Paul was a threat to the agenda of the Republican party and the republican political machine did everything in its power to marginalize his candidacy up to barring him from primary debates and trying their hardest to keep him off ballots. There was no place in the party for someone who didn't walk the big spending, big government, corporatist line - and the talking heads were more than happy to run with the RNCs talking points regarding Dr. Paul. These political machines, RNC/DNC, are interested in keeping the status quo. It strengthens their grasp on power by feeding the same talking points over and over to thier devoted followers. They then choose a candidate (the concept of primaries is a farce) and convince thier base that he is the best thing for the country. Dr. Paul came along and through a monkey wrench in thier comfortable little system.

 

[henktermaat]

This statement makes no sense at all.
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Yeah- I am bad with words. It was a reference to an earlier post. It's the same old conspiracy theory that stems when one's pet politician doesn't get elected. My point is I don't care how much money people make. Then again, I'm a capitalist, and I don't hate rich people unlike the other 99% of Americans that the leftists have brainwashed.

SE - yes- the NEA has to go... you're preaching to the chior. People need to work for their money, etc. I think you misunderstood my statement because we are on exactly the same page.

 

[henktermaat]

ETA: I'm trying not to post much in this thread, because every time I do it turns into a "why I don't like Republicans" post, which isn't the theme of the thread.

Same here... RP is just another R to me.

Not the politician we're looking for.

 

[henktermaat]

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I don't see the class warfare angle that you are seeing. Dr. Paul was a threat to the agenda of the Republican party and the republican political machine did everything in its power to marginalize his candidacy up to barring him from primary debates and trying their hardest to keep him off ballots. There was no place in the party for someone who didn't walk the big spending, big government, corporatist line - and the talking heads were more than happy to run with the RNCs talking points regarding Dr. Paul. These political machines, RNC/DNC, are interested in keeping the status quo. It strengthens their grasp on power by feeding the same talking points over and over to thier devoted followers. They then choose a candidate (the concept of primaries is a farce) and convince thier base that he is the best thing for the country. Dr. Paul came along and through a monkey wrench in thier comfortable little system.

Yeah- my bad- three people misunderstood that comment

I was referring to the posts a page or so back in which RP supporters were talking about how their pet politician wasn't voted in because of a big money scam.

It's apparently over their heads that they sound just like the lefties.

 

[level.eleven]

Yeah- my bad- three people misunderstood that comment

I was referring to the posts a page or so back in which RP supporters were talking about how their pet politician wasn't voted in because of a big money scam.

It's apparently over their heads that they sound just like the lefties.

Gotcha!

 

[SavageEagle]

It's apparently over their heads that they sound just like the lefties.

Whoa, hold on... I think I still misunderstand you. Who sounds like lefties and why?