Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?

[Ingomike]

What yer selling here. Is retarded.

It is funny to me that all of our modern lives are a series of compromises. Driving, shopping, dining, literally everything we do we must compromise but it is a violation of human rights if a seller does not want to sell buyers the complete bundle of rights…

 

[phylodog]

Oh, you still have not answered a simple question: If I showed up on your door with a contract and a check for $250,000 in exchange for the gold mining rights to your place would you sell it to me?

YES or NO?

Why shouldn’t you be able to sell it to me?

Not for sale, so no.

I could sell them if I want. If I recall I didn't own the mineral rights on the .28 acre lot, here I do. I don't have an issue with things like mineral rights. I have issues with people who have zero problem interfering in other people's lives for their own convenience. It's a gross and embarrassing aspect of some in our culture.

 

[Ingomike]

I have issues with people who have zero problem interfering in other people's lives for their own convenience. It's a gross and embarrassing aspect of some in our culture.

Can we just word it accurately!

You “have issues with people who want to have an agreement what is and is not allowed in their neighborhood“. And yet most of the country has zoning laws, why is it surprising that some folks would want their neighborhood to be neater and cleaner looking?

 

[repeter1977]

Check the fact list and tell me what I have wrong…

Everyone has, repeatedly. This entire thread is everyone pointing out that you are wrong and you screeching we are wrong while failing to convince anyone.

 

[repeter1977]

Can we just word it accurately!

You “have issues with people who want to have an agreement what is and is not allowed in their neighborhood“. And yet most of the country has zoning laws, why is it surprising that some folks would want their neighborhood to be neater and cleaner looking?

Can we just word it accurately, you want to control what your neighbors can do, how their property looks and every other aspect and still say it's freedom.

 

[firecadet613]

Everyone has, repeatedly. This entire thread is everyone pointing out that you are wrong and you screeching we are wrong while failing to convince anyone.

Legally, he's correct. If you disagree with him on morality or the ethics of those laws, then yes.

From what I've gathered from this thread, Mike has figured out how to play in the sandbox, at this stage of his life.

Sounds like most have, but we're all in different stages of life with different wants.

If I had to guess, Dean is younger with a young family (I was when I had the HOA place). As he grows (and as I did), he'll likely want more space, land, and freedom to do as he pleases.

Not surprised that the older, retired guys aren't aligned with millennials or Gen X...

 

[KLB]

Not surprised that the older, retired guys aren't aligned with millennials or Gen X...

I think you'll find most Gen X leaning towards the freedom side of things. Early forties to 59 years old at this point.

 

[firecadet613]

Can we just word it accurately, you want to control what your neighbors can do, how their property looks and every other aspect and still say it's freedom.

How is he controlling it, if they all agreed to it?

As with most things, the seller sets the rules and the buyer can agree or go elsewhere.

There was a truck out of state I wanted. They wouldn't take an out of state check. Only in house financing or a wire (from your bank or other lending institution). Since I bought after banking hours (couldn't wire) and didn't want to carry a briefcase of cash with me, I let them finance it and wired money to that bank once they got the loan paperwork processed. I could have easily said no, but chose to agree to the sellers terms.

See how easy that can be?

 

[firecadet613]

I think you'll find most Gen X leaning towards the freedom side of things. Early forties to 59 years old at this point.

Agree 100%. I'm just outside of that age range, but definitely more gen x vs millennial and definitely love my freedom.

The "college educated", younger crowd, is most likely to buy HOA type properties...

 

[jamil]

FACT: Landowners have the right to sell any rights they own, individually or as a complete bundle.

FACT: No one has EVER FORCED a buyer to buy land without all rights, but they may choose to do so.

FACT: Many buyers do want an HOA and any laws requiring sunsetting of HOA’s and a revote takes rights away from them.

FACT: Any laws that force landowners to only be able to sell the complete bundle take landowners rights.

FACT: In all these posts the ONLY ones at risk of having rights taken are landowners by those that demand they sell the complete bundle of rights or buyers that want an HOA.

FACT: Demanding developers not create HOA’s is taking their land owner rights.

FACT: Just because developers operating on thin margins to build the most house for the money for homebuyers through economies of scale and they create an HOA’s to protect their investment, likely from many of you in this thread, no one is forced to buy in an HOA. EVER! You may not like your other options but there are options.

FACT: INGO is not the public at large and in no way represents the beliefs of the public.

This belief that sellers must sell the complete bundle of rights is ridiculous and ignores the history of the transfer of rights of property that goes back to the beginning of this country.

Fact. That's retarded.

 

[jamil]

It is funny to me that all of our modern lives are a series of compromises. Driving, shopping, dining, literally everything we do we must compromise but it is a violation of human rights if a seller does not want to sell buyers the complete bundle of rights…

Retarded.

 

[jkaetz]

Oh, you still have not answered a simple question: If I showed up on your door with a contract and a check for $250,000 in exchange for the gold mining rights to your place would you sell it to me?

YES or NO?

Why shouldn’t you be able to sell it to me?

Sure, with a restriction that you can only mine the gold on months with 29 days, must not disturb the wildlife, my neighbors, or the landscaping.

FACT: Landowners have the right to sell any rights they own, individually or as a complete bundle.

FACT: No one has EVER FORCED a buyer to buy land without all rights, but they may choose to do so.

FACT: Many buyers do want an HOA and any laws requiring sunsetting of HOA’s and a revote takes rights away from them.

FACT: Any laws that force landowners to only be able to sell the complete bundle take landowners rights.

FACT: In all these posts the ONLY ones at risk of having rights taken are landowners by those that demand they sell the complete bundle of rights or buyers that want an HOA.

FACT: Demanding developers not create HOA’s is taking their land owner rights.

FACT: Just because developers operating on thin margins to build the most house for the money for homebuyers through economies of scale and they create an HOA’s to protect their investment, likely from many of you in this thread, no one is forced to buy in an HOA. EVER! You may not like your other options but there are options.

FACT: INGO is not the public at large and in no way represents the beliefs of the public.

This belief that sellers must sell the complete bundle of rights is ridiculous and ignores the history of the transfer of rights of property that goes back to the beginning of this country.

blah blah blah, HOAs are A OK in my book, blah. You should try a different angle. You've used these points already.

 

[jkaetz]

It's a zombie horse, it just wont' stay dead!

 

[jkaetz]

You “have issues with third parties that abandon all connection to a neighborhood who want to make up what is and is not allowed in the neighborhood that they don't live in“.

Fixed this for you.

 

[phylodog]

Can we just word it accurately!

You “have issues with people who want to have an agreement what is and is not allowed in their neighborhood“. And yet most of the country has zoning laws, why is it surprising that some folks would want their neighborhood to be neater and cleaner looking?

I did word it accurately. I'm not going to candy coat it so you can feel better about who you are. If you want to lie to yourself and fall for your own word games to forgive yourself that's up to you.

 

[phylodog]

How is he controlling it, if they all agreed to it?

If controlling others wasn't the goal would there be need for HOAs in neighborhoods without shared amenities.

 

[jamil]

Is retarded.

Is not retarded.

Tastes great.

Less filling.

 

[jkaetz]

Is retarded.

Is not retarded.

Tastes great.

Less filling.

Bud

 

[Creedmoor]

Most definitely it is. I said it recently in front of my SIL. She cried the crocodile tears of feigned virtue.

It is my policy to “like” posts that use the word. Spread the word to save the r-word. So a thumbs up for that.

I just called my younger brother to remind him that he's retarded and his car don't run.

 

[jamil]

Bud