Why do people freak out over snow?

[Dryden]

Just for fun:
What do you drive?

A 2006 Honda Pilot. The AWD model.

 

[samot]

THATS IT.... THAT IS IT !!!!
Im going to jump in the LT1 Z28 & run some tests, ill be back with a reveiw...(hopefully)

 

[henktermaat]

A 2006 Honda Pilot. The AWD model.

OK let's say you're going down a road and there's 5 inches of black ice in that Honda Pilot, and on that ice is a layer of VEGETABLE OIL! And on top of that oil, another layer of ice has formed because it's so cold, that oil freezes. Then, a semi-truck full of floor buffers flips and spills out it's cargo of floor buffers, which proceed to polish the road.

Can you stop?

 

[Dryden]

THATS IT.... THAT IS IT !!!!
Im going to jump in the LT1 Z28 & run some tests, ill be back with a reveiw...(hopefully)

Get her up to 75 and stand on the brake while turning the wheels completely left. Let us know what hospital you prefer.

 

[henktermaat]

Get her up to 75 and stand on the brake while turning the wheels completely left. Let us know what hospital you prefer.

WRONG!

I said the ice and oil was INSIDE THE HONDA PILOT!!!

 

[Dryden]

OK let's say you're going down a road and there's 5 inches of black ice in that Honda Pilot, and on that ice is a layer of VEGETABLE OIL! And on top of that oil, another layer of ice has formed because it's so cold, that oil freezes. Then, a semi-truck full of floor buffers flips and spills out it's cargo of floor buffers, which proceed to polish the road.

Can you stop?

That's a ridiculous question.
Floor buffers would never have the rotational speed to accomplish the job.

No soup for you. NEXT

 

[henktermaat]

That's a ridiculous question.
Floor buffers would never have the rotational speed to accomplish the job.

No soup for you. NEXT

I got nothin.

They would also be unmanned and it would be ridiculous to imagine them shipping with little operators packed into the crates... Although perhaps you could throw a jockey in there with a few MREs

 

[groovatron]

Bzzzt.

Mass does not increase friction, mass has more "staying in motion" power. Look up Newton's three laws.

I love you all, but I am a geek and I love physics... stick around and you could learn something

no kidding....when did I say that?.....

 

[groovatron]

I know what you mean. I have been in trucking for the past 8 years now. The first five I averaged over 100,000 miles a year on the road. But just for the record even with four wheel drive your are not going to see me passing people at 50-60 mph like alot of the other retards out there.

Nice......Stay safe out there! Truck drivers are like LEO, they have to deal with situations everyday and the average citizen just doesn't get it.....or show the respect deserved. Without truckers, the world would stop!

 

[JetGirl]

Warning: "F" Word once (maybe twice)
YouTube - How Not To Pull Your Car Out Of The Snow !!

 

[hotfarmboy1]

UHMMM , i dont think you have anymore "road surface friction on a 4x4 than on a 4x2, 4 tires is 4 tires.. 2 or 4 wheels being "powered " have absolutley nothing to do with breaking, & why would there be more "friction against the rotor" on a 4x4 as apose to the exact same 4 rotors on a 2 wheel drive truck ??????

The only time it would make a difference is if the truck was a manual trans. Yes friction is reduced. But if you are running good tires meant to be used offroad (assuming its a truck) and start to shift down to let the engine help slow it. It will slow faster in 4x4 than if you were to do the same in 2x4 due to more 2 extra tires starting to turn slower and slow down the truck. I've experienced it many times. I can stop any one of our 4x4's faster by shifting down (yes all are stick shift) than any of the 2wd vechicles we have (also stick shift, focus, 92 SHO, or 93 ranger). Just holding the brakes will just lock up the brakes and you will slide. If you want to slow faster manual shift down and also pump the brakes. In an auto it is harder but still possible. Most autos still have a low range, at low speeds it would be safe to use. But I wouldn't want to try to do it from any speeds higher than maybe 35. This is one reason my family prefers manual transmissions. Our only automatic on this farm is mom's fusion cause her knee can't handle the clutch anymore. The 3 pickups, 2 grain trucks, other 2 cars, and 4 tractors are all manuals.

another reason why manuals > automatics

BTW with all that being said, we still don't drive like some of the nuts out here on the ice and snow. Last night going to and from work. On the highway where it was fairly clear I might of gotten to 45-50 depending on the condition of the road. On country roads less than 40. And I was in the F250 4x4 and even got passed by some idiot in a late 90's lumina on the highway. lol

 

[printcraft]

YouTube - Cars sliding on ice

 

[henktermaat]

I have seen people park on an incline with snow covered ice, and they get out and their truck starts sliding. If you want to use physics, weight and mass can actually increase slipage on ice. If you don't believe me, try taking a paper cup and pushing it on an ice rink. Now do the same with a hockey puck. Hockey puck slides way furthur. Mass and weight in a truck can actually reduce friction between ice and wheels.

There, I've hilighted the incorrect statement for you.

 

[henktermaat]

YouTube - Cars sliding on ice

Wow, idiot driver attempting to bail out at :28

 

[groovatron]

Bzzzt.

Mass does not increase friction, mass has more "staying in motion" power. Look up Newton's three laws.

I love you all, but I am a geek and I love physics... stick around and you could learn something

I have seen people park on an incline with snow covered ice, and they get out and their truck starts sliding. If you want to use physics, weight and mass can actually increase slipage on ice. If you don't believe me, try taking a paper cup and pushing it on an ice rink. Now do the same with a hockey puck. Hockey puck slides way furthur. Mass and weight in a truck can actually reduce friction between ice and wheels.

There, I've hilighted the incorrect statement for you.

Do you see where I am confused now? Last I checked, reduce is not a similie for increase

 

[printcraft]

Wow, idiot driver attempting to bail out at :28

Yes, a couple of them did! How do you stop a moving car with your feet?!?
That's a great way to get ran over by your own car.

 

[henktermaat]

Do you see where I am confused now? Last I checked, reduce is not a similie for increase

Yeah- a mistake in my message, not yours. I meant to correct you by saying that mass does not reduce friction. Doh

 

[henktermaat]

Yes, a couple of them did! How do you stop a moving car with your feet?!?
That's a great way to get ran over by your own car.

or the next guy... or the next guy

 

[groovatron]

The only time it would make a difference is if the truck was a manual trans. Yes friction is reduced. But if you are running good tires meant to be used offroad (assuming its a truck) and start to shift down to let the engine help slow it. It will slow faster in 4x4 than if you were to do the same in 2x4 due to more 2 extra tires starting to turn slower and slow down the truck. I've experienced it many times. I can stop any one of our 4x4's faster by shifting down (yes all are stick shift) than any of the 2wd vechicles we have (also stick shift, focus, 92 SHO, or 93 ranger). Just holding the brakes will just lock up the brakes and you will slide. If you want to slow faster manual shift down and also pump the brakes. In an auto it is harder but still possible. Most autos still have a low range, at low speeds it would be safe to use. But I wouldn't want to try to do it from any speeds higher than maybe 35. This is one reason my family prefers manual transmissions. Our only automatic on this farm is mom's fusion cause her knee can't handle the clutch anymore. The 3 pickups, 2 grain trucks, other 2 cars, and 4 tractors are all manuals.

another reason why manuals > automatics

BTW with all that being said, we still don't drive like some of the nuts out here on the ice and snow. Last night going to and from work. On the highway where it was fairly clear I might of gotten to 45-50 depending on the condition of the road. On country roads less than 40. And I was in the F250 4x4 and even got passed by some idiot in a late 90's lumina on the highway. lol

I agree, manuals offer more control and are more fun to drive. That being said, I'd hate to give the average crappy driver another couple of things to think about. Talking on their cell phone applying lip gloss is already hard enough.

 

[Dryden]

Yes, a couple of them did! How do you stop a moving car with your feet?!?
That's a great way to get ran over by your own car.

I have never seen someone bailing out of a sliding vehicle before. It looks dumber than it sounds.