"Whoa there. You're making us look bad."

[Bunnykid68]

Let me see if I understand this correctly: Someone who hates children not only has their best interests at hearts, but knows exactly what that is for each and every one of them and can do it better than the parents who love them. Why didn't I see it before?

Because you arrogantly kept wondering why everyone wasn't doing it your way????

 

[Fargo]

Let me see if I understand this correctly: Someone who hates children not only has their best interests at hearts, but knows exactly what that is for each and every one of them and can do it better than the parents who love them. Why didn't I see it before?

But c'mon! Everyone knows it takes a "village"...

Elements within the both public and private school sector's have been desperately trying to excuse their own shortcomings by hammering on homeschoolers for decades.

I was homeschooled as were my siblings. My mom started in part because we were Marine Corps brats who moved bi-yearly sometimes. My parents were castigated back in the 80's as going "to have children who will never succeed and will have to rely on the state for welfare".

Their oldest was a National Merit Scholar, went to college on scholarship and graduated as Valedictorian of her college class.

Their 2nd oldest (me) was a National Merit Scholar. Full tuition scholarship going into college, graduated *** laude, full-tuition scholarship to law school. Top 1/3 of graduating class.

Their 3rd oldest is almost done with his masters degree.

4th went to college on scholarship, now county library director at 26 yrs old.

Etc....

I grew up obviously heavily involved in homeschooling and the legislative battles that went on ad nauseum in the 80's and 90's. Home visits, ineligibility to play sports, truancy complaints etc.

In my experience, the vast majority of homeschoolers were far better educated and placed far less of a burden on society than their counterparts. Sure, there are always crappy parents who use it as an excuse for laziness, but my experience was that they were by far the minority and generally didn't last long.

One thing I can absolutely say is that there were infinitely fewer uneducate kids coming out of homeschooling than there were illiterate high school graduates coming out of the public school system and that is percentage or numerically.

I remember as a kid wanting to play sports with the local school teams and that being violently opposed by the state "High School Athletics Ass'n" for reason like "if our school isn't good enough for these nuts, why should we let them play sports". It was then that I realized at a very early age that the current school system existed as much, if not more, for itself than it did for the kids is supposedly served.

I personally say "screw the village", my kids are my responsibility and I'll decide who/how they get taught. Sure, this isn't an absolute principle, but every presumption should be in favor of parents controlling THEIR kids education and upbringing.

I've seen what the foster-care/ward-o-the-state system is firsthand and way too often it is a **** poor replacement for proper parenting. It is better than what some ****ty parents do, but that doesn't mean it comes close to providing anything like real parenting.

Best,

Joe

 

[Bunnykid68]

About half of these post I did not bother to read, way to long, made me want to grab a book

 

[printcraft]

Originally Posted by buckstopshere
I would've made a great porn star but I went a different route.

There's great potential for Printcraft in this thread now.

My ears were burning.


























Ok, it's not my ears.
I better get this looked at.

This should be covered under obamacare right?

 

[pudly]

This should be covered under obamacare right?

Yeah. But too bad no one has been able to get through the exchanges to buy it.

 

[88GT]

Yeah. But too bad no one has been able to get through the exchanges to buy it.

They were obviously homeschooled: not educated enough by their ****ty parents to figure it out.

 

[jamil]

My ears werebut ing

Ok, it's not my ears.
I better get this looked at.

This should be covered under obamacare right?

Uh, you're not going to post pictures, right?

 

[printcraft]

Uh, you're not going to post pictures, right?

Cameras busted.

 

[Cameramonkey]

It sounds like to me that you should present your license before you start giving out advice that would cost me money. I also think it's disrespectful to those who have PTSD that you'd go around insinuating that because I have different beliefs that I'm somehow "damaged".

The rest of your comment won't be addressed, perhaps you should talk to your psychological licensing board and have them re-review your license to provide psych treatment over the internet, Dr. Phil.

You dont need to be a professional to see that something might be broken and in need of professional "fixing", Streak. I'm not an ASE Certified Auto Mechanic, but when my car starts pulling to one side, or fails to start reliably, I know that its time to take it to a pro. While I dont know whats wrong with it, I do know it needs to see a professional. That professional also might say "thats just what this model does (e.g. a Dodge with squeaky brakes). Its irritating but normal." But at least it has seen a professional.

I'm no Dr. Phil either, but given your history here, you are either a [leftist sociopath] troll (as you admitted in another thread), Need some professional counseling due to a rough childhood (No shame in that), or both.

Given the folks I have met here, I think its safe to say that nobody here means you harm or offense, and any suggestions to seek professional help are heartfelt and genuine for your personal well being.

Good luck.

 

[Streak]

Let me see if I understand this correctly: Someone who hates children not only has their best interests at hearts, but knows exactly what that is for each and every one of them and can do it better than the parents who love them. Why didn't I see it before?

No, clearly you either don't read what I say or you twist it around in your head...I suggest slowing down and applying that noodle. No where did I say I knew exactly what the best thing is for a child...in fact I said I didn't. I'm also not suggesting that the State always knows better than parents. What I said was that just by being a parent, it doesn't make you 100% right...if you believe you're infallible as a parent than you're really not fit to be one. Parents make mistakes all of the time and that's not to say that those parents are bad parents or that the mistakes will result in some ****ed up kid. It's just human nature to mess up, no one is perfect. Never have been, never will be.

What I said about education is that parents shouldn't be allowed to just decide "blah, I'll teach my kids just this **** and nothing else" or "I'll teach this, but I'm also going to tell my kid it's just pure crap". It lowers the quality of education and education shouldn't have to clash with "how" someone's kid should be raised. And yet all too often I've seen, even on here, parents who think their kids shouldn't be taught things like evolution or sex ed or what they perceive as "liberally" focused education.

If you want your kid taught at home with whatever methods you think are best, that's fine. If you want to supplement their education with additional materials, that's fine. All I am saying is that there should be a MINIMAL STANDARD of education and at the end of the day, 88GT, despite your source's bull**** spin the SCOTUS upheld the belief that there should be a minimal standard set by the state and reviewed and parents are expected to maintain that standard. What it agreed was that schools had no right to force home visits.

Your accusatory title comes from the fact that you read the website and not the case that it referenced; there doesn't seem to be any of that "whoa there you're making us look bad" jazz.

Lastly I'll repeat: parents aren't perfect. You can love your children and be the best gosh-darned parent there is out there. It doesn't mean you know everything and it doesn't mean you won't make a mistake. The State should and does act as a standard to help parents not make a mistake and allow their children a minimum quality of education which meets the expectations of society upon graduation from high school.

 

[HavokCycle]

No, clearly you either don't read what I say or you twist it around in your head...I suggest slowing down and applying that noodle. No where did I say I knew exactly what the best thing is for a child...in fact I said I didn't. I'm also not suggesting that the State always knows better than parents. What I said was that just by being a parent, it doesn't make you 100% right...if you believe you're infallible as a parent than you're really not fit to be one. Parents make mistakes all of the time and that's not to say that those parents are bad parents or that the mistakes will result in some ****ed up kid. It's just human nature to mess up, no one is perfect. Never have been, never will be.

What I said about education is that parents shouldn't be allowed to just decide "blah, I'll teach my kids just this **** and nothing else" or "I'll teach this, but I'm also going to tell my kid it's just pure crap". It lowers the quality of education and education shouldn't have to clash with "how" someone's kid should be raised. And yet all too often I've seen, even on here, parents who think their kids shouldn't be taught things like evolution or sex ed or what they perceive as "liberally" focused education.

If you want your kid taught at home with whatever methods you think are best, that's fine. If you want to supplement their education with additional materials, that's fine. All I am saying is that there should be a MINIMAL STANDARD of education and at the end of the day, 88GT, despite your source's bull**** spin the SCOTUS upheld the belief that there should be a minimal standard set by the state and reviewed and parents are expected to maintain that standard. What it agreed was that schools had no right to force home visits.

Your accusatory title comes from the fact that you read the website and not the case that it referenced; there doesn't seem to be any of that "whoa there you're making us look bad" jazz.

Lastly I'll repeat: parents aren't perfect. You can love your children and be the best gosh-darned parent there is out there. It doesn't mean you know everything and it doesn't mean you won't make a mistake. The State should and does act as a standard to help parents not make a mistake and allow their children a minimum quality of education which meets the expectations of society upon graduation from high school.

most people have ambition that drives their lives forward. the ambition to do better, be better, create a better lives for themselves and for their children.

in that same feeling, most parents want their children to succeed. when you lower the standard you lower the goal, and thusly ambition. when crap becomes acceptable then doing 'just enough' because the goal.

 

[Streak]

You dont need to be a professional to see that something might be broken and in need of professional "fixing", Streak. I'm not an ASE Certified Auto Mechanic, but when my car starts pulling to one side, or fails to start reliably, I know that its time to take it to a pro. While I dont know whats wrong with it, I do know it needs to see a professional. That professional also might say "thats just what this model does. Its irritating but normal." But at least it has seen a professional.

I'm no Dr. Phil either, but given your history here, you are either a [leftist sociopath] troll (as you admitted in another thread), Need some professional counseling due to a rough childhood (No shame in that), or both.

Given the folks I have met here, I think its safe to say that nobody here means you harm or offense, and any suggestions to seek professional help are heartfelt and genuine for your personal well being.

Good luck.

At no point have I ever said I was a troll. I assume you mean the sarcastic title of a post that you clearly didn't read. Before making accusatory comments you should do some research.

I do rather love the entire "OMG he said something that we can use to make him seem crazy" bit. The suggestions being made aren't being made in heartlessness and are far from genuine. They stem from a belief that if you have beliefs that aren't in-line with what is the vocal majority that there's "obviously something wrong with you". I've literally been told that multiple times by some of the loudest/most vocal people on this forum.

I'll also point out that people are infinitely more complicated than a car.

Before today no one went bleeding heart on me asking me to see a professional so "genuinely" until I mentioned I had a rough childhood. So why do people like you feel it's acceptable to instantly chastise/stereotype someone who had a rough childhood. Maybe you don't mean to be harmful or offensive, but it doesn't change the fact that your stereotyping is both harmful and offensive and outrageously out of line. I've shown a great deal of respect and that level of disrespect is totally uncalled for and insanely childish. And I mean that to all of the people who made similar comments today.

I have seen pathological liars on this forum and if you were so intuitive and such a concerned citizen why is no one asking those people to seek help? It's pretty simple, they believe Obama is a socialist commie nazi panda bear and that all liberals/democrats are evil aliens decepticons who burn the flag and wipe their asses with copies of the US Constitution while masturbating with a picture of a crying George Washington.

 

[Streak]

most people have ambition that drives their lives forward. the ambition to do better, be better, create a better lives for themselves and for their children.

in that same feeling, most parents want their children to succeed. when you lower the standard you lower the goal, and thusly ambition. when crap becomes acceptable then doing 'just enough' because the goal.

I agree. However a lower minimum standard doesn't mean you have to stop there. If you're home schooling and you stop at the state requirements, then why do the home schooling unless it's to act as a filter/brainwashing agent? It sounds cruel, but I would expect most home schooling parents to go beyond standards and no one has ever said they couldn't. This case that OP's website referenced was not about that. Her title is a spin and the website is a spin and it's all literally bull****. I think I've figured out the OP's game and it's not intellectual debate. It's just posting whatever has a conservative bias and that's the problem with this country. Instead of finding out facts and truth it's "how can I spin this so my people look better".

 

[Cameramonkey]

One key point to remember Streak... If you are THAT f***ed up as a parent (Like you offered yours as an example), you wont be deciding to home school by "blah, I'll teach my kids just this **** and nothing else".

Home schooling is a tad bit different than "im just not gonna send my PoS kid to school because I dont care".

There is a fundamental difference between the "i'm a crappy parent and I dont give a crap about my crotchfruit" and "I'm going to decide NOT to send my child to public school because I know I can teach them better than that."

 

[Rookie]

For the record, I don't believe Obama is a panda bear.

 

[Streak]

One key point to remember Streak... If you are THAT f***ed up as a parent (Like you offered yours as an example), you wont be deciding to home school by "blah, I'll teach my kids just this **** and nothing else".

Home schooling is a tad bit different than "im just not gonna send my PoS kid to school because I dont care".

There is a fundamental difference between the "i'm a crappy parent and I dont give a crap about my crotchfruit" and "I'm going to decide NOT to send my child to public school because I know I can teach them better than that."

Based on what? What makes you so sure?

 

[Streak]

For the record, I don't believe Obama is a panda bear.

I can mark it down in the record, but I'm gonna need you to mail me, certified, a notarized letter stating that.

 

[Cameramonkey]

For the record, I don't believe Obama is a panda bear.

panda bears are MUCH less coherent but much more cuddly... Although head to head without a teleprompter, I think the Panda might be a bit more eloquent.

 

[Streak]

panda bears are MUCH less coherent but much more cuddly... Although head to head without a teleprompter, I think the Panda might be a bit more eloquent.

Yeah, but they're racist against brown bears.

 

[88GT]

No, clearly you either don't read what I say or you twist it around in your head...I suggest slowing down and applying that noodle. No where did I say I knew exactly what the best thing is for a child...in fact I said I didn't.

You did. You said the society knows best and THAT is best for the child. Parents be damned.

I'm also not suggesting that the State always knows better than parents.

You did. What else is society but the state? And you were quite clear that you believe society should be the final arbiter of what is good, best, better, quality, ad nauseum.

What I said was that just by being a parent, it doesn't make you 100% right...

You keep saying that but you can't even define "right" or "good" or "best." How the hell do you know I can't be any of those things if you can't even define them?

if you believe you're infallible as a parent than you're really not fit to be one.

Given your history, I'm not really sure you're qualified to pass judgment on fitness for parenthood. You lack an appropriate model and have zero experience.

Parents make mistakes all of the time and that's not to say that those parents are bad parents or that the mistakes will result in some ****ed up kid. It's just human nature to mess up, no one is perfect. Never have been, never will be.

What, that doesn't make them ****ty parents? We shouldn't usher in the gubmint to take their kids away so they don't **** up anymore?

What I said about education is that parents shouldn't be allowed to just decide "blah, I'll teach my kids just this **** and nothing else" or "I'll teach this, but I'm also going to tell my kid it's just pure crap".

Why not? The government schools do it.

It lowers the quality of education

I agree. I have been saying that about the government schools for a while now.

and education shouldn't have to clash with "how" someone's kid should be raised.

It shouldn't, but that hasn't stopped you from supporting a paradigm that lets the government intrude on my choices on raising my children, has it?

And yet all too often I've seen, even on here, parents who think their kids shouldn't be taught things like evolution or sex ed or what they perceive as "liberally" focused education.

See, we're back to you thinking you knows what's "best." And you said you didn't care. You had us going there for a minute.

If you want your kid taught at home with whatever methods you think are best, that's fine.

That's big of ya.

If you want to supplement their education with additional materials, that's fine.

A child's education shouldn't need a supplement. One might think it wasn't good, quality or meeting the minimum standards.

All I am saying is that there should be a MINIMAL STANDARD of education

Hey, look, we agree. But I suppose you're going to ruin the honeymoon by telling me that everybody has to have the same minimal standard, aren't you? Is this the same minimal standard that the government schools can't meet?

and at the end of the day, 88GT, despite your source's bull**** spin the SCOTUS upheld the belief that there should be a minimal standard set by the state and reviewed and parents are expected to maintain that standard. What it agreed was that schools had no right to force home visits.

This again? Let's get a few things straight. The family in the linked article didn't go to court and the issue has been resolved as HSLDA does not publish these highlights until the issue is resolved. And the issue was that the family wanted to teach the child on a 3rd grade level despite it being only her 2nd formal year of education. mASSachusetts had the audacity to tell the parents that they couldn't educate their child on a level commensurate with her ability, but that she had to be educated on the level with every other student of similar age in the 2nd formal year of education. The home visits and court rulings you keep referring to are from the cases used as precedent to support this family's right to choose the appropriate level of instruction for their child. I think you thought the cases referenced were that of the family in the article. No such luck, duck.

Your accusatory title comes from the fact that you read the website and not the case that it referenced; there doesn't seem to be any of that "whoa there you're making us look bad" jazz.

Ah, shucks. Ya got me. And here I thought everyone understood hyperbole for the sake of underscoring a point.

Lastly I'll repeat: parents aren't perfect. You can love your children and be the best gosh-darned parent there is out there. It doesn't mean you know everything and it doesn't mean you won't make a mistake. The State should and does act as a standard to help parents not make a mistake and allow their children a minimum quality of education which meets the expectations of society upon graduation from high school.

I never claimed to be perfect. But I am the best for my children. I don't care whether you agree with that or not. It's not your place, remember?