Where is the respect?!

[Spike_351]

I know what you mean, but it isn't only wih firearms. I'm only 23 and went to college for Criminal justice/Law enforcement, and the sad fact is we still have no real life experience, to an older and more closed minded individual a 20 year old trying to buy a gun is automatically stereotyped as hotheaded and prone to violence. And someone please correct me if I am wrong but isn't it against federal law to sell a handgun to someone unde 21 unless obtained from a parent or guardian? I had this same issue when I was 19.

 

[the1kidd03]

I know what you mean, but it isn't only wih firearms. I'm only 23 and went to college for Criminal justice/Law enforcement, and the sad fact is we still have no real life experience, to an older and more closed minded individual a 20 year old trying to buy a gun is automatically stereotyped as hotheaded and prone to violence. And someone please correct me if I am wrong but isn't it against federal law to sell a handgun to someone unde 21 unless obtained from a parent or guardian? I had this same issue when I was 19.

If I remember correctly, it is not illegal in IN in FTF transactions to sell to someone between 18-21. No "federal" law that I'm aware of.

 

[mrortega]

I see that OP is off-line right now. Let's surprise him by piling on as much as possible before he checks back in. Personally I don't trust anybody under 65. You're all just snot-nosed juvies.

 

[Vince49]

Not to fall for the,"some all".

As others have pointed out a seller can place any restriction he/she desires on any item they are selling,after all until the sale is concluded it is their property. Having said that I hate to see anyone categorized because of their age or any other classification that others might pin on them. In the picture below I am a twenty year old Chief Warrant Officer in the United States Army and on the day this picture was taken I had been serving in Viet Nam for over fourteen months. No one questioned my ability to carry my 1911 at that time as I recall.

PS: I also seem to recall obtaining some,"real life experience", in a rather short amount of time back then.

 

[rockhopper46038]

OP, I see and understand your point. On the other hand, the seller is within his rights to not sell, of course. As to his reasoning, look to your education in statistics. You are a member of a given population, almost certainly normally distributed. The "average" member of that population probably does not possess the maturity or wisdom to own a handgun. That wipes out everyone on the left side of the bell curve as unsuitable for this seller's peace of mind. How far to the right you need to go to find the characteristics acceptable in a buyer depends on the individual seller, but I'd wager you need to be a good 2 standard deviations from average, which makes the population under that area of the curve quite small. Quite simply, you appear to be outside his confidence interval. I doubt it's personal.

 

[indytechnerd]

Vince. Thanks for serving.

Having not been there, I'm going to ass-u-me and guess that most folks probably didn't care how old the guy on the stick was when your bird came zipping over their heads. The fact that you were there was what mattered to them.

My dad spent the entirety of his trip to RVN at Phu Cat airbase.

 

[NathanJefferson]

just to be clear they are allowed to discriminate against you because you are young, but if you discriminate against someone for their age being over 40 then you are in trouble!

Protected classes:

• Race - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
• Color - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
• Religion - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
• National origin - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
• Age (40 and over) - Federal: Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
• Sex - Federal: Equal Pay Act of 1963 & Civil Rights Act of 1964
• Familial status (Housing, cannot discriminate for having children, exception for senior housing)
• Disability status - Federal: Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 & Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
• Veteran status - Federal Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974
• Genetic information - Federal: Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act

Yes this whole post should be purple... should be.

 

[Westside]

 

[littletommy]

Hell, my ex wife is 42 and I wouldn't sell her a gun!

I really don't see a problem here, I probably wouldn't sell to 20 yr old either, unless I knew them, and knew what kind of person they were.

 

[KG1]

When I place an item up for sale I put the buyer must be 18+ and an Indiana resident w/valid ID and be legally able to purchase and own a firearm.

If the potential buyer gives me any indication that they are not proper then it's a no-go. It does'nt matter what age they are.

In my book an 18 yr. old has just as much right to legally exercise the 2A and protect themselves as a 50 yr. old does.

 

[mtgasten]

I know what you mean, but it isn't only wih firearms. I'm only 23 and went to college for Criminal justice/Law enforcement, and the sad fact is we still have no real life experience, to an older and more closed minded individual a 20 year old trying to buy a gun is automatically stereotyped as hotheaded and prone to violence. And someone please correct me if I am wrong but isn't it against federal law to sell a handgun to someone unde 21 unless obtained from a parent or guardian? I had this same issue when I was 19.

No, in Indiana you can buy a handgun at the age of 18 in a private sale, FFl's are the ones that deal with the 21 and up business

 

[Spike_351]

If I remember correctly, it is not illegal in IN in FTF transactions to sell to someone between 18-21. No "federal" law that I'm aware of.

Ok, thank you for the information, i wasn't quite sure to the legal issues of private sales.

 

[Kagnew]

Let me start off by saying I am very educated on the firearms laws and codes in Indiana, and hold a degree of Criminal Justice/Minor in Pre-law at only 20 years young (I graduated high school a year early, and was taking college courses as a junior).

Yes I am "younger" than most that exercise their right to carry in Indiana, but I recently came across a post in the classified section as I was looking for a G19 (as I can only purchase a handgun through a private sale due to the Federal law which is complete blasphemy).

In this private sale add the individual states that the buyer must be 21. Although, I respect everyone's entitlement to sell their firearms to whomever they like I did not like this person's response to my question of why they require the buyer to be 21 years of age. I quote "Age 18-21 is a time when a lot of growing up happens."

Granted sometimes this is true, but yet people feel the need to not give a fair chance to those who are "younger". There are responsible young gun owners and I would like to consider myself one of them as I have been carrying since I was 18.

So why do I see so much discrimination against young people that choose to exercise their right to purchase and carry a handgun? I also wouldn't mind seeing some opinions too about why there is discrimination against young individuals trying to insert themselves into so called "adult life".

By the time I had hit my 20th birthday, I had already put in over 2 years of active duty but still could not vote nor legally buy a drink. Quit whining.

 

[Kagnew]

As others have pointed out a seller can place any restriction he/she desires on any item they are selling,after all until the sale is concluded it is their property. Having said that I hate to see anyone categorized because of their age or any other classification that others might pin on them. In the picture below I am a twenty year old Chief Warrant Officer in the United States Army and on the day this picture was taken I had been serving in Viet Nam for over fourteen months. No one questioned my ability to carry my 1911 at that time as I recall.

PS: I also seem to recall obtaining some,"real life experience", in a rather short amount of time back then.

Well said, brother!

 

[ATM]

Some folks aren't happy with the lack of infringements against those under 21 so they create their own.

In such a person's world, you probably wouldn't be able to buy a handgun from anyone else at your age, either.

Luckily, it's not their world or the law... but it is their sale. Move on and find an actual supporter of our right to keep and bear arms.

 

[CarmelHP]

CP, if I were you, I would just chalk it up to the seller being ignorant or an ******* and look at the next sale. I have a C&R FFL and see all the time on places like gunbroker dealers selling C&R guns but refusing to sell to C&R FFL holders though it's perfectly legal. As for age, I've heard old-timers talk about how they would take their squirrel guns to school at 11 and 12 years old, and how when they were teenagers courting a girl it was common practice to set the revolvers on the lamp table by the door before being escorted into the parlor. These were stories from the '40's and '50's when America was still mostly free, and people left their doors unlocked. I think teenagers should be able to mail order their first guns like before '68. I don't think we've improved our young people by preventing them from legally arming themselves in the ensuing years.

 

[Hayseed_40]

So why do I see so much discrimination against young people that choose to exercise their right to purchase and carry a handgun? I also wouldn't mind seeing some opinions too about why there is discrimination against young individuals trying to insert themselves into so called "adult life".

I do not see "so much discrimination" against youth. If you are talking about the sale - it is the seller's loss not yours. He had a viable buyer and he chose not to sell. You can find a G19 iin every bush. Do not sweat it. Life is going to bring you a lot more of these people - do not let it get to you. Learn now to deal with it.

 

[CPT Nervous]

I'm also 20. I started OCing at 19. I joined the Army at 17. I have only one friend that's under 27 years old. I also maintain that stereotype that teenagers are idiots, but in my experience (which is limited) I've found that most people are idiots, so it doesn't really matter what age you are. Folks like us, the young ones who carry, are the exception. We're not worried about "pop culture" who's dating who, or any of that childish crap. We understand reality, and face it every day. I could talk to you for hours, and you'd never guess I was 20. My best friends KNOW I'm 20, and they constantly forget. I never fit in with my peers. I got along better with my Dad's friends than with my classmates. Again, it's because I was never disillusioned with a false reality of pop music and celebrities and sports teams or other such nonsense. I feel constantly judged by people. I didn't have a high school graduation party, because I didn't want people to bring it up. It was done, over, and out of my life. I was relieved that it was over. My BCT and AIT graduations were special to me. High school was a necessary hurdle that lay in the path of my life. I always felt that I was the only sane person there. All the Obamamania in 2008 was intense. I was of the few that actually knew anything about that. Everyone was so wrapped up in how historical and wonderful it was that they didn't notice anything else. It made me sick.

Anyway, I got a little carried away there. My point is, and this is for all you old timers who judge us young folks, that we are no different than you. We are all on the same side here. Just because we lake life experience doesn't mean we're immature or stupid. Any 20 year old who takes up arms to protect himself and others, and takes that responsibility seriously, is a mature and respectable person in my books. Any 20 year old that walks around with his "shorts" around his knees and his head up his ass is a contemptible thug.

Good luck with the G19. It's a lovely gun. Have you considered having a parent buy it for you? That's how I got my PF9.

 

[atvdave]

By the time I had hit my 20th birthday, I had already put in over 2 years of active duty but still could not vote nor legally buy a drink. Quit whining.

Just wondering... Why could you not vote??

 

[JettaKnight]

Just wondering... Why could you not vote??

Because the 26th admt. wasn't passed until '71.