What is "Black Lives Matter"?

[indiucky]

They are hitting white people where it hurts...NASCAR...

They also looted the NASCAR Hall of Fame, a Buffalo Wild Wings and a Westin, according to the Charlotte Observer.

 

[chipbennett]

The American Revolution seems like a pretty good example. It fits completely within the definition of terrorism. So I guess terrorism is in our heritage.

The long-form definition of terrorism includes acts done not under the auspices of the State, and against civilian (i.e. non-military, i.e. non-agents of the state) targets. The colonials fought under the auspices of the colonial army, against the British army.

 

[chipbennett]

Agreed, that definition is a bit vague. I like the legal one better:

Here is the US "official" definition (Wikipedia):

U.S. Code Title 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience."

There are also certain aspects of an act that constitute terrorism:

• ineluctably political in aims and motives;
• violent – or, equally important, threatens violence;
• designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target;
• conducted either by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) or by individuals or a small collection of individuals directly influenced, motivated, or inspired by the ideological aims or example of some existent terrorist movement and/or its leaders; and

• perpetrated by a subnational group or nonstate entity.

 

[jamil]

Here is the US "official" definition (Wikipedia):



There are also certain aspects of an act that constitute terrorism:

At any rate, I don't think that the rioters are terrorists, per se.

 

[chipbennett]

At any rate, I don't think that the rioters are terrorists, per se.

They meet the criteria of all three definitions I've posted.

A:

1. Their actions are inherently violent
2. Their aims are political/ideological

B:

1. Their actions are premeditated
2. Their actions are politically motivated
3. Their actions are inherently violent
4. Their actions are perpetuated against non-combatant targets
5. Their actions are committed by a non-state entity
6. Their actions are intended to influence an audience

C:

1. Their aims are political/ideological
2. Their actions are inherently violent
3. Their targets are civilians/non-military
4. Their makeup is an organized, non-state entity
5. Their intent is to influence an audience wider than their targets

 

[bwframe]

What odds is Las Vegas giving on whether these riots help Trump or Clinton?

 

[Kutnupe14]

They meet the criteria of all three definitions I've posted.

A:

1. Their actions are inherently violent
2. Their aims are political/ideological

B:

1. Their actions are premeditated
2. Their actions are politically motivated
3. Their actions are inherently violent
4. Their actions are perpetuated against non-combatant targets
5. Their actions are committed by a non-state entity
6. Their actions are intended to influence an audience

C:

1. Their aims are political/ideological
2. Their actions are inherently violent
3. Their targets are civilians/non-military
4. Their makeup is an organized, non-state entity
5. Their intent is to influence an audience wider than their targets

So Bundy Ranch and the Wildlife takeover, terrorism?

 

[chipbennett]

So Bundy Ranch and the Wildlife takeover, terrorism?

Not violent. Acted against/toward state agents. And as far as I'm aware (at least in the BLM dispute), no intent to influence an audience wider than those with whom they engaged.

So, no: of all the ways you could describe them and their actions, "terrorism" isn't among the descriptors.

 

[pudly]

 

[chipbennett]

Actually, even fewer than that: they are only protesting the subset of that group that have been killed by police officers.

 

[printcraft]

Meanwhile.......

LiveLeak.com - White Man Beaten And Stripped in Basement Car Park During Charlotte Riots

 

[Kutnupe14]

Not violent. Acted against/toward state agents. And as far as I'm aware (at least in the BLM dispute), no intent to influence an audience wider than those with whom they engaged.

So, no: of all the ways you could describe them and their actions, "terrorism" isn't among the descriptors.

Breaking into a secured building, and threatening armed resistance against LE personnel if they try to remove them isn't violence? There's no mention of acting against "state agents," in your criteria, only military. They also held a rally in the county to bring attention to their struggle. I'd call a rally, "an attempt to influence a wider audience."
And if that's the litmus test, then one would ask if the Ft Hood shooter shouldn't be considered a terrorist then (which I do consider him to be), because he targeted a military installation and his victims being military.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Keith Scott's family has viewed the shooting video. When asked if it supports police, their attorneys said "no comment"

 

[churchmouse]

Keith Scott's family has viewed the shooting video. When asked if it supports police, their attorneys said "no comment"

Well, seems we have an issue here.

Reading the witness statement he was reading a book while driving. Did I get confused on this......How in the hell would she know what he was doing.

 

[1911ly]

The family needs to make a statment about the video. Whether the out come of the video proves wrong doing or not. I under stand the reasons for holding back the videos release until the family could view it. I still don't see the need to show the man's last moments of life in the media. I would not want to see it repeated over and over if it were my loved one.

 

[jd4320t]

Meanwhile.......

LiveLeak.com - White Man Beaten And Stripped in Basement Car Park During Charlotte Riots

This is the country we live in now. We are past the point of no return. I hope Indy stays civil so we don't have to see animals like this.

 

[churchmouse]

This is the country we live in now. We are past the point of no return. I hope Indy stays civil so we don't have to see animals like this.

The basic rule of law has been pushed aside by PC and racial name tagging.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Keith Scott's family has viewed the shooting video. When asked if it supports police, their attorneys said "no comment"

Translation: " we just had our lying asses handed to us and are too chicken to admit we were wrong and the facts destroyed our bogus, inflammatory claims"

 

[ghitch75]

Keith Scott's family has viewed the shooting video. When asked if it supports police, their attorneys said "no comment"

they will riot tonight because of this wait and see.....they will say the video was made up.....

 

[Greyson]

1175, I tried. I really tried to watch your video offering above. Had to pull the plug at under 50 seconds. What did I miss?