What is "Black Lives Matter"?

[rhino]

Don't you know that 100% of black people shot by police in America are black?

One. Hundred. Percent.

So what if Rachel Dolezal got caught in the middle of a committing a violent crime and subsequently got shot by the police? Does that blow the perfect percentage, or do we get an asterisk or what?

 

[jamil]

I can respect you opinion, but it is an opinion. In my opinion, the president has not race baited anyone, and if he has, it's those who were already inclined to have those thoughts about person different from themselves.

He made statements which I would agree fit in his world view. But they are none the less divisive. Was it intentionally divisive? I dunno. Why would a sitting president take sides in cases that haven't even had the facts fleshed out yet? And he didn't just take sides, he lectured us about race. I wouldn't condemn him for speaking out as president. But what he said made me think he's the president of liberals, but he's not my president. He doesn't represent me. I am the America that he loathes.

As an example, in the Zimmerman case, that "if he had a son" blather is not unifying. A president of the whole United States, and not just the Progressive United States, would have encouraged everyone on both sides to wait for the facts and not believe every little tidbit you read on social media. And in the mean time, don't jump to conclusions for either side. And to have faith that the justice system will flesh out the facts, and bring the appropriate justice about. But what he said gave people a false sense that he was on their side and that they'd get the justice they thought they deserved. Well, that blew up in their faces when all the facts came out.

Same kind of thing with Michael Brown. That blew up. And Obama lecturing America helped that along. If you agree with the lecture, maybe it's okay for you. Then he's obviously your president. But his lectures are partisan. I'm not a party to that. I'm not a progressive. And that doesn't make me racist, and it doesn't make me needy of his inappropriate lectures.

 

[jamil]

So what if Rachel Dolezal got caught in the middle of a committing a violent crime and subsequently got shot by the police? Does that blow the perfect percentage, or do we get an asterisk or what?

Probably an asterisk would be appropriate.

 

[Kutnupe14]

He made statements which I would agree fit in his world view. But they are none the less divisive. Was it intentionally divisive? I dunno. Why would a sitting president take sides in cases that haven't even had the facts fleshed out yet? And he didn't just take sides, he lectured us about race. I wouldn't condemn him for speaking out as president. But what he said made me think he's the president of liberals, but he's not my president. He doesn't represent me. I am the America that he loathes.

As an example, in the Zimmerman case, that "if he had a son" blather is not unifying. A president of the whole United States, and not just the Progressive United States, would have encouraged everyone on both sides to wait for the facts and not believe every little tidbit you read on social media. And in the mean time, don't jump to conclusions for either side. And to have faith that the justice system will flesh out the facts, and bring the appropriate justice about. But what he said gave people a false sense that he was on their side and that they'd get the justice they thought they deserved. Well, that blew up in their faces when all the facts came out.

Same kind of thing with Michael Brown. That blew up. And Obama lecturing America helped that along. If you agree with the lecture, maybe it's okay for you. Then he's obviously your president. But his lectures are partisan. I'm not a party to that. I'm not a progressive. And that doesn't make me racist, and it doesn't make me needy of his inappropriate lectures.

He's hardly the first president to do that. Both Bush and Clinton have done the same. In my opinion, because Obama is black, many automatically assume it's an international attempt at racial divisiveness.

 

[Hawkeye]

He's hardly the first president to do that. Both Bush and Clinton have done the same. In my opinion, because Obama is black, many automatically assume it's an international attempt at racial divisiveness.

International?

 

[bobzilla]

He's hardly the first president to do that. Both Bush and Clinton have done the same. In my opinion, because Obama is black, many automatically assume it's an international attempt at racial divisiveness.

There's the race card. I knew I'd find it in here. So what racial cases did Bush jump in on to create racial divisiveness?

 

[printcraft]

International?

I think he is finally acknowledging that obama is from Kenya.

 

[jamil]

He's hardly the first president to do that. Both Bush and Clinton have done the same. In my opinion, because Obama is black, many automatically assume it's an international attempt at racial divisiveness.

In my opinion, I think it may be difficult for Black People to objectively find Obama's remarks racially divisive. So there we are. Same set of data. Different opinions. I will say this about Obama's divisiveness. I don't believe it has anything to do with his race. He's political. Everything is political. He divides and marginalizes. I've seen him do that again and again since his "bitter clinger" speech.

The thing that was divisive about Obama's remarks about Martin and Brown, they were one sided, without regard for the other side of the story--you know, the side that turned out to be accurate. Obama spoke as if the both men were targeted by racists because they were Black. And he spoke as if the occurrences of such events were much more common than they actually are. And I think if he'd have been less partisan, he could have eased the tension. I think he wanted the tension to motivate people for his political goals.

But enough with that. I'd like to challenge you to find an equivalence to Obama's remarks on Martin and Brown. I'm not a fan of GWB. It's been awhile since GWB was in office and I don't recall every address, but I just don't recall a time when he lectured Americans publicly, taking sides on criminal or civil cases, and especially without having the facts. I doubt you'll find one, but if you do, I'd be happy to join you in condemning him for being divisive too.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Or his comments about the Prof Gates incident. What was that he said? Something along the lines of "I don't have all the facts, but the police were wrong"? What were the facts of that? Police were called about an apparent break in, they show up and the door has obviously been kicked in, they ask for ID and Gates blows up at them accusing them of racism. I had something similar happen, I had went out with some friends and forgot my keys at home. They dropped me off and I realized I was locked out so I went to climb through a window, an officer happened to be driving by and stopped. What was the outcome? I showed him my ID, he told me to have a nice night and I wished him the same.

 

[bobzilla]

Or his comments about the Prof Gates incident. What was that he said? Something along the lines of "I don't have all the facts, but the police were wrong"? What were the facts of that? Police were called about an apparent break in, they show up and the door has obviously been kicked in, they ask for ID and Gates blows up at them accusing them of racism. I had something similar happen, I had went out with some friends and forgot my keys at home. They dropped me off and I realized I was locked out so I went to climb through a window, an officer happened to be driving by and stopped. What was the outcome? I showed him my ID, he told me to have a nice night and I wished him the same.

Yeah, but W and Clinton did the same thing. Duh. Stop being racist. /purple.

 

[Kutnupe14]

There's the race card. I knew I'd find it in here. So what racial cases did Bush jump in on to create racial divisiveness?

I'm going to try something new. If you can't be civil or even handed, then I do not owe you an answer to your question.

 

[Kutnupe14]

In my opinion, I think it may be difficult for Black People to objectively find Obama's remarks racially divisive. So there we are. Same set of data. Different opinions. I will say this about Obama's divisiveness. I don't believe it has anything to do with his race. He's political. Everything is political. He divides and marginalizes. I've seen him do that again and again since his "bitter clinger" speech.

The thing that was divisive about Obama's remarks about Martin and Brown, they were one sided, without regard for the other side of the story--you know, the side that turned out to be accurate. Obama spoke as if the both men were targeted by racists because they were Black. And he spoke as if the occurrences of such events were much more common than they actually are. And I think if he'd have been less partisan, he could have eased the tension. I think he wanted the tension to motivate people for his political goals.

But enough with that. I'd like to challenge you to find an equivalence to Obama's remarks on Martin and Brown. I'm not a fan of GWB. It's been awhile since GWB was in office and I don't recall every address, but I just don't recall a time when he lectured Americans publicly, taking sides on criminal or civil cases, and especially without having the facts. I doubt you'll find one, but if you do, I'd be happy to join you in condemning him for being divisive too.

I can agree with this. And I was referencing HW Bush.

May 1, 1992 Presidential address (excerpt):

I spoke this morning to many leaders of the civil rights community. And they saw the video, as we all did. For 14 months they waited patiently, hopefully. They waited for the system to work. And when the verdict came in, they felt betrayed. Viewed from outside the trial, it was hard to understand how the verdict could possibly square with the video. Those civil rights leaders with whom I met were stunned. And so was I, and so was Barbara, and so were my kids.


March 11, 2000 President Clinton on Diallo shooting:

But the larger fact is that we all have the feeling, I think, that it probably wouldn't have happened, as I said, if it had been a white, young man in a white neighborhood under the same facts

 

[bobzilla]

I'm going to try something new. If you can't be civil or even handed, then I do not owe you an answer to your question.

That's Kut for "there aren't any. I made a strawman case for myself and you caught me". That's cool.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's Kut for "there aren't any. I made a strawman case for myself and you caught me". That's cool.

That's fine

 

[jd4320t]

I can respect you opinion, but it is an opinion. In my opinion, the president has not race baited anyone, and if he has, it's those who were already inclined to have those thoughts about person different from themselves.

Please. It happened with Mike Brown and every single one since. It takes five seconds to google and find it.

Obama says Michael Brown's death in Ferguson 'stains the heart of black children' - Washington Times

 

["Username"]

I'd like to challenge you to find an equivalence to Obama's remarks on Martin and Brown. I'm not a fan of GWB. It's been awhile since GWB was in office and I don't recall every address, but I just don't recall a time when he lectured Americans publicly, taking sides on criminal or civil cases, and especially without having the facts. I doubt you'll find one, but if you do, I'd be happy to join you in condemning him for being divisive too.

I would like to challenge the same.





Is this the part where I hold my breath while I wait, or will doing so end with my suffocation?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Please. It happened with Mike Brown and every single one since. It takes five seconds to google and find it.

Obama says Michael Brown's death in Ferguson 'stains the heart of black children' - Washington Times

cool story bro

 

[jd4320t]

cool story bro

Yep very cool. Sadly it's told too often and can't end soon enough.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yep very cool. Sadly it's told too often and can't end soon enough.

lol, yep

 

[Stickfight]

That's fine

The ad hominems get moderated in one direction only.

You should become a whiner to authority. Forget the adage that offense can not be given, only taken.