We NEED Gun Control

[BigBoxaJunk]

I'm confused, not sure if I'm understanding your train of thought. Are you suggesting that EVERYONE be required to submit to psych evals or that I have somehow suggested such?

I thought I made it clear that was not the case.

As far as your question, relatively few of the mass shooters have made it to the evaluation process. Most are killed in their acts. Yet, most of their diagnosed attributes are quite similar to that of other known mass murderers or serial killers I would suspect.

Sorry, I read your post and was reminded of something related and my response to your post wasn't so much a response as a related thought.

I have just always found it interesting that so many people ask "how could this happen?" when, with the benefit of hindsight and in-depth reporting, we find out how obviously mentally unstable a mass shooter was, and/or how many red flags should have been raised. And that has always caused me to wonder how many people in this country would appear the same, in hindsight, if they committed the same shooting, and thus opened their own history up to examination. And, it doesn't seem appropriate to bring up the first thing without also discussing the second.

 

[yepthatsme]

I think this quote fits perfectly in this thread. (I always keep a copy just for the type of question the OP had.)


The author is Jeffrey R. Snyder.
"But to ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow. ... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."

 

[the1kidd03]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSDMhlQq6U

Psychology behind violence....sort of

 

[searpinski]

This issue is a culture problem, not a gun problem. There is no easy or fast way to fix a society's culture / attitude.

 

[printcraft]

WE MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!!!

 

[Apriliaguy]

Bring back actual prisons. No TV no access to a computer ect. If your convicted of murder, have public sentencing on the spot. Your guilty your dead. Now not in a few years. Convicted of dwi lose your licsense forever. So on and so on. Eye for an eye. Quit giving them thier 15 min of fame.

 

[the1kidd03]

Bring back actual prisons. No TV no access to a computer ect. If your convicted of murder, have public sentencing on the spot. Your guilty your dead. Now not in a few years. Convicted of dwi lose your licsense forever. So on and so on. Eye for an eye. Quit giving them thier 15 min of fame.

Cost of a bullet is like, what....one millionth the cost of death row injection.....Just saying.

 

[level0]

Just outlaw murder, that should fix it.

 

[Expat]

In this last case (Navy Yard), the PoPo should have forced him to be evaluated when he said he was hearing voices and that the people next door were shooting ray guns or something at him. When people are psychotic, they need to be forced into treatment or confined. There is no mistaking the condition if they are put under observation for a short time period.

 

[squirrelhntr]

human beings are born with a horrible flaw. their spirit's relationship with it's creator is DEAD. it needs to be born again and the relationship restored. only then will the senseless killings / murders stop. IMO

 

[Turf Doctor]

I have just always found it interesting that so many people ask "how could this happen?" when, with the benefit of hindsight and in-depth reporting, we find out how obviously mentally unstable a mass shooter was, and/or how many red flags should have been raised. And that has always caused me to wonder how many people in this country would appear the same, in hindsight, if they committed the same shooting, and thus opened their own history up to examination. And, it doesn't seem appropriate to bring up the first thing without also discussing the second.

I just read "The Gift of Fear" and he talks of the same as you have stated above.

 

[VN Vet]

Our government does not have the our welfare in mind when they want to take to protect us from mass shooting by controlling our guns. Once they have this control of our weapons, next will come confiscation. Once "all our weapons" have been taken from us, the current Government will make its final move.

The United States of America is the last Bastion of Freedom on this Planet and has been for many decades. It is us against a pending Socialist/Fascist New World Order my friends. We will never be able to rid our society of mass slaying of our citizens no matter what laws we pass or efforts we excert, but we can prevent this New World Order.

I think we have given our children mind controlling drugs for to long and therefore have created a subset of our society that is mental unstable. Let's stop given our children Adderall, Ritalin etc. These mind altering drugs are dangerous. Let our kids be kids.

Every State in Our Great Country need to follow Colorados example. We can and we must get back control of our Country. I hope we can do this through legal means. After this, then we can get rid of most all of our gun free zones.

I think this can be accomplished over a ten year period, but we need to start the processes now. We must start the processes now. It is shameful that We the People are afraid of our Government. We are a Country that once had a Government of the People, by the People and for the People. We can have this again. However, I think mass killings by mentally deranged people will be for us forever, no matter how great a Government and how perfect the written Laws.

 

[HoughMade]

human beings are born with a horrible flaw. their spirit's relationship with it's creator is DEAD. it needs to be born again and the relationship restored. only then will the senseless killings / murders stop. IMO

Yep.....and it's a one-heart-at-a-time solution that no government can ever implement.

 

[LionWeight]

Ok, who has read or seen Obamas new speech on the new shootings? I don't want to start a war, but something really does need to be done. We or someone, has to find a way to get guns out of the hands of these idiots that are not only screwing up our right to bear arms, but that are KILLING people. That is a REAL problem. A growing problem. A problem that needs to be stopped. Background checks is not the answer. So, what is the answer. What if one of our family members was one of the people killed? What would we suggest to be done? THIS REALLY HAS TO STOP! SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. But what?????

So what is the answer? Would my opinion change if it was one of my family members? No it would not. Sadly you can't mandate what someone will do. Look at all the laws that are broken every day. There are laws against it. Laws don't stop people. Chicago is now the murder capital, but car crashes in Illinois still kill more than guns. Take away the cars? If my family member was killed I would want to know that they were at least able to defend themselves. I have always worked at least 1 job and I'm 52 now. I'm not gonna be a victim to anyone who wants to take what I have worked for. I'm not going to let my family be a victim either. The laws we have won't fix it, new laws won't either. The right and ability to protect ones self and others is the only thing that will fix it. Make it mandatory that EVERYONE carry a firearm and watch how fast muggings drop off. The criminal will adjust. They will become ambushers. It will also mean that sooner or later they will make a mistake and be dealt with. Only then will the problem be solved.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[TopDog]

I don't want to lose my guns any more than I want you guys to lose yours. But surely everyone agrees that SOMETHING needs to be done, something has to change. But what is the answer? The anti-gunners want to take away our guns, that is their answer. So what is ours?

I disagree. Doing SOMETHING just for the sake of doing something is pure folly. As others have said, I am sick and tired of BS laws that do nothing to stem the killing. And abolishing all guns will only serve to increase violent crime (be it without guns) as has been seen in England. Nope not for a New York minute do I want another BS, foolish move made to just make SOME people feel better while actually doing nothing but making honest law abiding citizens suffer. Screw That.

 

[Tombs]

It's a simple problem to solve, it always has been, people make lots of money by complicating it.

Ban gun-free zones.

This is a free country, and as such, you are responsible for your own safety. You must be allowed to take care of yourself. It's inhuman to strip anyone of that ability. I don't care what condition they have, the rest of us will sort them out if they decide to do something.

If someone thinks their feelings are more important than my rights, they can jump off a bridge.
Even if more laws would make the world a perfect place, I'd tell you to slit your throat. I don't want any part of this garbage system of control and regulation. Allow me to live my life and I'll let you do the same.

 

[45 LongColt]

I guess everyone is mis-understanding me. I did not say we need gun control as in taking away our right to bear arms, or taking away our guns. However, there needs to be a better way to keep guns out of the hands of idiots. In the instance of Sandy Hook. His mom had to have known that her son had mental problems. Keep the damn guns locked up out of reach. If people would just think a little bit, put precautions in use BEFORE groups of people get slaughtered, maybe this stuff would not happen AS MUCH. I know you cant stop all of it, but there has to be a way to stop this before the government actually starts passing some of this crap that they are trying to get passed. They eventually are going to get these bills passed if the slaughter doesn't stop. WHEN it happens, is too late to complain.

 

[venenoindy]

What we need is stif penalties for those who hurts innocent people period not just a slap on the hand. There is some parts of the world were thiefs get their hand cut off so I bet if we start doing that we would have lot less crime.

 

[VERT]

What we need is stif penalties for those who hurts innocent people period not just a slap on the hand. There is some parts of the world were thiefs get their hand cut off so I bet if we start doing that we would have lot less crime.

How is a stiff penalty going to stop a maniac who is hell bent on killing themselves from getting their 15 minutes of fame? I am not disagreeing with you about the lack of punishment.

 

[yepthatsme]

Laws do not prevent crime. Laws are used as a punishment or consequence when broken and a guideline for the law abiding. As a society, we might be able to predict or anticipate who will commit a crime, but a person must commit a crime before an action can be taken against them. The point I am trying to make is that there are those who are willing to punish us, the law abiding, due to the actions of the lawless. This is what we are fighting against, the response of those who are willing to restrict or take away our rights due to the actions of the lawless.

Yes, we should take every precaution to prevent our weapons from falling into the wrong hands. That is just being a responsible gun owner. However, we need to work on changing the way that people think about solving problems such as mass shootings. Instead of treating our society as mindless, little children and taking away objects that might hurt us, we need to focus our attention on the people that use those objects to commit evil.

Most of us see that the solution to a problem by restricting or controlling citizens is a vicious, never ending cycle and we are the ones that ultimately end up suffering. If our government wants to control "assault weapons" as a means to prevent mass shootings, we know that it will not stop there. It will eventually lead us to the point of trying to outlaw knives as England has been trying to accomplish. This is ludicrous. This is what we need to work on, changing or preventing those in congress from implementing restrictions on our rights as their mindless solution to a problem.

The problem isn't guns, or trying to prevent evil from happening. There will always be those who commit evil regardless of the consequences. The problem is how we respond to evil. I agree that we can help by trying to prevent those mentally unstable from obtaining guns. However, this can also be a slippery slope as well. This also has the potential of leading to mental evaluations as a requirement for gun ownership with the government defining the mental evaluation criteria. This would just be a back door approach to gun control.

Just my