Virginia woman buys 31 guns in two weeks.

[hornadylnl]

Yes I am.

The right to own a firearm was for white male property owners. Thats who the constitution applied to. Women weren't even given the power to vote. You think that there should be no limitations on what we can say and do? Its written so that it may be intrepreted. And thats what our representatives are supposed to do. When situations arise that are disputed then the supreme court intreprets them.

Thanks for reminding me why i don't give my money to the NRA. I'm not supporting a group who thinks the 2a is a suggestion.

 

[VERT]

Thanks for reminding me why i don't give my money to the NRA. I'm not supporting a group who thinks the 2a is a suggestion.

I fail to see how the opinion of one member on an internet forum constitutes the doctrine of an entire organization. My guess is that the NRA is constantly walking a fine line between politicians, members and the general public.

 

[hornadylnl]

I fail to see how the opinion of one member on an internet forum constitutes the doctrine of an entire organization. My guess is that the NRA is constantly walking a fine line between politicians, members and the general public.

Hasn't the NRA helped to craft anti gun legislation?

Yes, there were those who didn't have the right to bear arms at our founding. Unfortunately, it took the courts and congress many years o rectify that. It's one of the very few instances that liberty has increased since our founding. Why are gun owners ok with going backwards?

 

[KoopaKGB]

Hasn't the NRA helped to craft anti gun legislation?

Yes, there were those who didn't have the right to bear arms at our founding. Unfortunately, it took the courts and congress many years o rectify that. It's one of the very few instances that liberty has increased since our founding. Why are gun owners ok with going backwards?

Going backwards how exactly? Because I think there should be SOME laws regulating firearms vs ZERO laws? Anything goes anarchy.

 

[Bersalover]

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[hornadylnl]

Going backwards how exactly? Because I think there should be SOME laws regulating firearms vs ZERO laws? Anything goes anarchy.

That's it. Our founders were anarchists.

 

[ViperJock]

What license would she have needed if she bought 31 Lionel train sets and resold them?

Your kids have to have a permit to sell lemonade on the side walk. Almost everyone who does business of any kind has some sort of permit or license.

 

[rugertoter]

Gotta love it. BUYING 31 guns wasn't the problem. SELLING those same guns for profit was.

That's a big 10-4 buddy!

 

[hornadylnl]

Your kids have to have a permit to sell lemonade on the side walk. Almost everyone who does business of any kind has some sort of permit or license.

You don't see me advocating for that.

 

[ViperJock]

You don't see me advocating for that.

Lol no. I'm not either. I'm just answering your post, sort of. The right to own is not the same thing as the right to sell. The question isn't really whether or not people should be able to have a business selling guns without a license but what gives the govt the right to regulate any business. Whether it was the FFs intentions or not, the gov does have legal rights to regulate commerce for various purposes not the least of which is taxation.

Why should someone get to sell guns without a permit and presumably without paying taxes when none of the gun stores can? When no other business can?

Not saying its right. It's just how it is. And everyone should have to play by the rules if anyone does.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Going backwards how exactly? Because I think there should be SOME laws regulating firearms vs ZERO laws? Anything goes anarchy.

How do you reconcile your 'enlightened' opinion with the Second Amendment? Murder, intimidation, robbery, battery, malicious property damage, and forcibly violating other people's orifices with inanimate objects are all illegal independent of a single regulation against guns. To the best of my knowledge, that should cover any illegal act you can perform with a firearm. So, tell us, how does honoring the Second Amendment as written create anarchy?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I would add for those who doubt that the ATF pays attention, several years ago a PSS customer got an unwanted visit. In his case it worked out OK for him, since he was in the habit of buying guns and unless he found one he really liked, would trade them back to Bob in a week or two in the hunt for the elusive few he really liked. Probably the only thing that saved his bacon was that he was buying and then trading them back at a small loss rather than the guns disappearing. This flies in the face of the Second Amendment, but being technically correct doesn't make life in prison any more pleasant.

 

[sgtonory]

I read that yesterday but haven't seen any discussion of it anywhere, either.

Wow, huh? That would seem to be a pretty clear case of either straw buying or the unlicensed operation of a firearms dealership. I have to say that I'm often amazed at the number of unlicensed people who appear to be selling for profit. Maybe I'm just paranoid because I work in criminal law, but I'm astonished that folks would do something that easily proven. FWIW, I always try to make sure that I sell any firearm that I haven't had for years and years (and most of them, too) at a demonstrable loss (even a one-dollar loss - no reason to go crazy here) so as to be able to counter any such claim.

Are we not free? Where the firearms not her property? Who was hurt in these voluntary transactions? If you think this is wrong why? Is it wrong to buy a car that is in high demand and sell it for a profit? Do you need a "license" to do that? Dose it make you feel special that you follow these so called rules that have nothing do to about protecting you but rather the monopoly we call "government"?

 

[CHCRandy]

What I would like to know is how they tracked her if she bought them at a gun show, or did she sell all of them to CI. Do you fill out papers when you purchase a handgun at gun show?

 

[hornadylnl]

What I would like to know is how they tracked her if she bought them at a gun show, or did she sell all of them to CI. Do you fill out papers when you purchase a handgun at gun show?

The anti gougers at Virginia Gun Owners probably dropped a dime on her.

 

[Erich]

Are we not free? Where the firearms not her property? Who was hurt in these voluntary transactions? If you think this is wrong why? Is it wrong to buy a car that is in high demand and sell it for a profit? Do you need a "license" to do that? Dose it make you feel special that you follow these so called rules that have nothing do to about protecting you but rather the monopoly we call "government"?

What?

Hey, do whatever you want. See how it works out for you - no skin off my nose.

 

[JettaKnight]

What I would like to know is how they tracked her if she bought them at a gun show, or did she sell all of them to CI. Do you fill out papers when you purchase a handgun at gun show?

Perhaps she bought them from dealers. Maybe she set up a table at a show and started selling? Conspicuous online adds? Perhaps she's been on the radar for some time. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but the ATF does have ways...

Plus, I'm not sure what Virginia has for laws regarding registration of handguns.

 

[KoopaKGB]

How do you reconcile your 'enlightened' opinion with the Second Amendment? Murder, intimidation, robbery, battery, malicious property damage, and forcibly violating other people's orifices with inanimate objects are all illegal independent of a single regulation against guns. To the best of my knowledge, that should cover any illegal act you can perform with a firearm. So, tell us, how does honoring the Second Amendment as written create anarchy?

Anarchy was too strong of a word. I was suggesting that its a good thing that we have some laws pertaining to firearms versus having zero laws.

 

[hornadylnl]

Anarchy was too strong of a word. I was suggesting that its a good thing that we have some laws pertaining to firearms versus having zero laws.

The antis think "some" laws are good as well.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Anarchy was too strong of a word. I was suggesting that its a good thing that we have some laws pertaining to firearms versus having zero laws.

How do you reconcile this with the Second Amendment? What good do they do? I have yet to see a gun law that does anything but infringe on the rights of people who are in the habit of following the law in the first place. This strikes out all the way around.