VEPR 12

[magic man]

Is it November yet?

 

[Tydeeh22]

Is it November yet?

easy now.. young grasshopper.

 

[magic man]

easy now.. young grasshopper.

I'm not a patient person.

 

[Tydeeh22]

I'm not a patient person.

lets order a suppressor then.. for our veprs

 

[magic man]

lets order a suppressor then.. for our veprs

647 more days........

 

[Tydeeh22]

Izmash bought Molot

is this true?

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

is this true?

From what I understand, Izhmash sued Molot beginning in 2003, claiming that they owned the patent on the Kalashnikov and that Molot was producing the RPK and similar variants without a license. It was sort of sketchy if you recall the history of both companies and how they came to be, but the court agreed with Izhmash.

Molot was unable to pay 15.5 million in royalties at the time, and Izhmash took over Molot - with an agreement that Molot could directly compete with Izhmash in the future.

This, ofcourse, is not only "from the internet forums" rumors, it has likely went through thirty people after being translated to English - so consider my limited information not all that credible.

 

[GunGunDin]

+10 for vepr 12
I cant wait to sew one in real life

 

[DEC]

I haven't made a spontaneous gun purchase in quite a while, so I decided to go for it. I put in my pre-order with Atlantic this morning. I decided I wasn't going to let this opportunity to own one of these slip through my hands. I've been considering a Saiga 12 build every since I built my Saiga AK74 last winter. This will be better, IMO.

I am going to duck/goose hunt with this thing at some point.

 

[Shoots4Fun]

High five, DEC!

+1 for

spontaneous gun purchases

 

[snorko]

It may be immature and a little stupid, but the first thing I want to do when I get one is load up a bunch of mags with slugs and find a brick wall to take down!

 

[vitamink]

Well Kids it's already started and exactly like I said it would...the prices have jumped up dramatically. Atlantic and Mississippi Auto Arms still have them for 999. Tac47 however just jumped their price from $999 to $1,500. Good news for those of us that already ordered...your gun is now worth 50% more.

VEPR SHOTGUN

If you are on the fence, buy from Atlantic or MAA now before they do the same.


Also an update from SGM. Their magazines will work with the magwell of the Vepr12 however they will NOT actuate the LRBHO like the factory mags. They said that the cost to retool their machines is more than they would make on the magazines. The good news is there are a few ways to modify the mags to work with the LRBHO and you can buy the 5rd ones from CSS for $40.00...I'm sure someone will reproduce the follower from a 5rder to replace the one in an SGM mag if all else fails.

 

[DEC]

I'm tempted to order another one from Atlantic just to sit on it for a couple months and then sell it to get all or most of the cost of the first one covered.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Well Kids it's already started and exactly like I said it would...the prices have jumped up dramatically. Atlantic and Mississippi Auto Arms still have them for 999. Tac47 however just jumped their price from $999 to $1,500. Good news for those of us that already ordered...your gun is now worth 50% more.

VEPR SHOTGUN

If you are on the fence, buy from Atlantic or MAA now before they do the same.


Also an update from SGM. Their magazines will work with the magwell of the Vepr12 however they will NOT actuate the LRBHO like the factory mags. They said that the cost to retool their machines is more than they would make on the magazines. The good news is there are a few ways to modify the mags to work with the LRBHO and you can buy the 5rd ones from CSS for $40.00...I'm sure someone will reproduce the follower from a 5rder to replace the one in an SGM mag if all else fails.

Hrm... Comments from an SGM worker made it sound like they are still working on the LRBHO - is this a new development that they are not going to do so?

 

[vitamink]

They just came out with mags for the 030s that didn't actuate the LRBHO and folks were asking "what gives?". They explained that they are trying to come up with a way to actuate the LRBHO for the Veprs without metal inserts or without changing their molding. I'll try to post a link from where someone modified a standard saiga 12 mag to work in the magwell and actuate the LRBHO

FROM SGM:

We are trying our best to get our mags to work with minimal mold change so we don't have to increase our prices on those specific lrbho models. I don't think most people understand how much money is involved in the R&D, designing and fabricating a mold for magazines. One example of our cost saving (which others have used since we introduced it) is the ribs on our mags, those are there so the mold can be closed off to allow a smaller quantity magazine to be produced and that rib turns into where the floor plate slides on. If we didn't do that then we would have had to create a new mold for every quantity of magazine and at tens of thousands of dollars in mold costs our magazines would be much higher in price. Hell a crappy mold designed and made in China for something like we make is $30k and that is 1/4 of the price and quality.

 

[vitamink]

Here ya go.

IZ-433 Magwell and Magazine Fitting - Saiga-12 - forum.Saiga-12.com

The pictures are what makes all the difference I hope you can see them. Aparently it's pretty easy to acutate the LRBHO with an agp mag. All you need is a file and a piece of sheet metal. The information is for a saiga 030, but the method would be the same for a VEPR.

 

[magic man]

As I'm new to the AK world........What would be the best mount for a Aimpoint Micro? Do I need a raised mount like an AR or????

 

[vitamink]

Not at all. If i were to use an aimpoint micro, i'd keep the mount it comes with, and buy a Vltor tube or CAA tube and slap on a magpul ctr or similar stock. Magpul has 3 different cheek risers to get you the proper cheek weld.

vltor

caa

I prefer Vltor myself.

Note the one on the right with the Burris FF has a riser on the stock.

 

[magic man]

Thanks for the info. Are there an quality side folding adapters on the market that work with the AR buffer tube?


EDIT: Never mind. Just read back and saw the Bonesteel Arms one you posted.

 

[vitamink]

Yes sir.

It remains to be seen what the rear of the gun will look like i.e. straight or angled, so don't go buying anything until after its in as some of this won't work.

If it's an angled cut, you can get this

Or this

plus this

and add a buffer tube, castle nut, and whatever AR stock you want.


If it's a straight cut
You can get this

Plust the above folding mech and other stuff.


You can also hack off the tang and use an internal block then add the folder, buffer tube and stock.