Vegas Shooting

[Movealongmovealong]

Well, people who do not believe in government are called anarchists and they fall on the Left of the political spectrum.

"Another neighbor, Brandon Monroe, said the man who lived in the apartment often talked about conspiracy theories and often dressed in camouflage or as Peter Pan to work as a street performer."

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[churchmouse]

They did speak of the civilian on the news tonight. They said he had his gun out of the holster. Who and what do we believe here.

 

[Prometheus]

Wow, just wow. I don't even know where to begin.
Thoughts and prayers for the family and friends of the two LEOs and the CCW individual at the Wal-Mart.
There is a special place in hell for those two cowards.
For the rest of us: Wally World is a maze, as is any large store. Don't get tunnel vision, if you have an outer wall at your back you only have 180 degrees to worry about. Otherwise its 360 with a lot of blind-spots.
Situational awareness is everything.
Odds are against ever being in a gun fight. The odds were the same for Mr. Wilcox.

I'd argue for most people, their vision in that scenario is more like 60 degrees at best. Tunnel vision sucks and until you experience it a few times, even with training, it's hard to prepare for the first time you find yourself in an intense situation like that.

In any case, it's hard to fault the Mr Wilcox for not realizing a female "shopper" pushing a cart was also a immediate threat.

I can't imagine a situation where anyone else confronting the "guy waving the gun and yelling" would have fared any better. It would seem when Joseph Wilcox confronted the murderer, Wilcox didn't realize it was ALREADY an active murderer situation. He probably thought he was preempting one. I would guess had Mr Wilcox realized the murderer(s) had just ambushed two cops, he would have been shooting, not trying to talk the "guy yelling and waving a gun" down.

Tragic series of events. My heart goes out for the friends and families.

The tragedy is far from over, the left will use their 'conservative' leanings to demonize and paint with a very broad brush. They will ignore the fact the last dozen pr so active murderers were all democrats and only focus in on things like "Gadsden Flag"....

 

[rhino]

Joe, Miller had convictions on the Crim Reck felony in '07 and the Dealing Marijuana and PCS felonies in '11.

He was acquitted at jury trial on the '09 battery (September '09).

Thank you, sir.

 

[rhino]

I'd argue for most people, their vision in that scenario is more like 60 degrees at best. Tunnel vision sucks and until you experience it a few times, even with training, it's hard to prepare for the first time you find yourself in an intense situation like that.

In any case, it's hard to fault the Mr Wilcox for not realizing a female "shopper" pushing a cart was also a immediate threat.

I can't imagine a situation where anyone else confronting the "guy waving the gun and yelling" would have fared any better. It would seem when Joseph Wilcox confronted the murderer, Wilcox didn't realize it was ALREADY an active murderer situation. He probably thought he was preempting one. I would guess had Mr Wilcox realized the murderer(s) had just ambushed two cops, he would have been shooting, not trying to talk the "guy yelling and waving a gun" down.

Tragic series of events. My heart goes out for the friends and families.

The tragedy is far from over, the left will use their 'conservative' leanings to demonize and paint with a very broad brush. They will ignore the fact the last dozen pr so active murderers were all democrats and only focus in on things like "Gadsden Flag"....

I'd like to believe I would have don't better, but I think that had I chosen to act, I probably would have missed the accomplice as well. It would be very tough to deal with being surprised by something like that compounded by being ambushed by an accomplice once you've identified an unexpected threat.

 

[dmarsh8]

BREAKING: Heroic Concealed Carrier DID Try To Take Down Cop Killers in Las Vegas - Bearing Arms

 

[cedartop]

BREAKING: Heroic Concealed Carrier DID Try To Take Down Cop Killers in Las Vegas - Bearing Arms

Somewhat misleading headline. The only two facts, that continue to change, in the story are that the GG confronted the scumbag, and didn't get off a shot.

 

[JMoses]

LOL, check out some of the comments from the WISH TV story. Looks like INGO has a reputation for the nut jobs...imagine that!


Here's the link, as previously posted in this thread:
Police: Las Vegas suspected shooters from Lafayette | WISH-TV

"You should check out the Las Vegas news outlets, they have published the manifesto of these nutcases. It is eerily similar to things that I see every day on internet gun forums, some of it is word for word exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a connection is found between these loons and the Indiana Gun Owner's forum."

"Many white supremacy nutcases are also rabidly anti-government and hate police. Plus, recent reports state that these gun-slurping nutjobs covered the dead police officers with Gadsden flags. You know, the yellow ones with the "Don't Tread On Me" snakes that doughboy gun-forum "patriots" like to wave around.


Seeing as they were from Lafayette, I do have to wonder what their screen names were on the Indiana Gun Owners internet forum."

 

[churchmouse]

LOL, check out some of the comments from the WISH TV story. Looks like INGO has a reputation for the nut jobs...imagine that!


Here's the link, as previously posted in this thread:
Police: Las Vegas suspected shooters from Lafayette | WISH-TV

"You should check out the Las Vegas news outlets, they have published the manifesto of these nutcases. It is eerily similar to things that I see every day on internet gun forums, some of it is word for word exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a connection is found between these loons and the Indiana Gun Owner's forum."

"Many white supremacy nutcases are also rabidly anti-government and hate police. Plus, recent reports state that these gun-slurping nutjobs covered the dead police officers with Gadsden flags. You know, the yellow ones with the "Don't Tread On Me" snakes that doughboy gun-forum "patriots" like to wave around.


Seeing as they were from Lafayette, I do have to wonder what their screen names were on the Indiana Gun Owners internet forum."

Thats just freaking perfect.

 

[atvdave]

LOL, check out some of the comments from the WISH TV story. Looks like INGO has a reputation for the nut jobs...imagine that!


Here's the link, as previously posted in this thread:
Police: Las Vegas suspected shooters from Lafayette | WISH-TV

"You should check out the Las Vegas news outlets, they have published the manifesto of these nutcases. It is eerily similar to things that I see every day on internet gun forums, some of it is word for word exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a connection is found between these loons and the Indiana Gun Owner's forum."

"Many white supremacy nutcases are also rabidly anti-government and hate police. Plus, recent reports state that these gun-slurping nutjobs covered the dead police officers with Gadsden flags. You know, the yellow ones with the "Don't Tread On Me" snakes that doughboy gun-forum "patriots" like to wave around.


Seeing as they were from Lafayette, I do have to wonder what their screen names were on the Indiana Gun Owners internet forum."

I can think of a few here... Some have been banned, some are still active.

 

[lovemachine]

LOL, check out some of the comments from the WISH TV story. Looks like INGO has a reputation for the nut jobs...imagine that!


Here's the link, as previously posted in this thread:
Police: Las Vegas suspected shooters from Lafayette | WISH-TV

"You should check out the Las Vegas news outlets, they have published the manifesto of these nutcases. It is eerily similar to things that I see every day on internet gun forums, some of it is word for word exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a connection is found between these loons and the Indiana Gun Owner's forum."

"Many white supremacy nutcases are also rabidly anti-government and hate police. Plus, recent reports state that these gun-slurping nutjobs covered the dead police officers with Gadsden flags. You know, the yellow ones with the "Don't Tread On Me" snakes that doughboy gun-forum "patriots" like to wave around.


Seeing as they were from Lafayette, I do have to wonder what their screen names were on the Indiana Gun Owners internet forum."

Thats just freaking perfect.

That makes me laugh and pissed off at the same time..

 

[Expat]

We have had a few posters that gave me the feeling they wouldn't have been sad about the two officers being shot.

 

[JMoses]

We have had a few posters that gave me the feeling they wouldn't have been sad about the two officers being shot.

Uh....I think there's still quite a few on here.

 

[DRob]

Uh....I think there's still quite a few on here.

And readily identifiable!

 

[Denny347]

This may be an isolated incident but there seems to be quite a bit support for the shooters. The only thing keeping them from doing the same thing is their nerve, but that will change. There will be more of these in the future, I guarantee it.

Dead Men Don't Start Revolutions | Christopher Cantwell

 

[cedartop]

Uh....I think there's still quite a few on here.

I guess that depends on where you draw the line between anti-police state, and anti-police. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part but I would hope that even the most vocal anti-police voices here don't actually want anything to do with murdering police, or that it would even be okay with them.

 

[Trigger Time]

LOL, check out some of the comments from the WISH TV story. Looks like INGO has a reputation for the nut jobs...imagine that!


Here's the link, as previously posted in this thread:
Police: Las Vegas suspected shooters from Lafayette | WISH-TV

"You should check out the Las Vegas news outlets, they have published the manifesto of these nutcases. It is eerily similar to things that I see every day on internet gun forums, some of it is word for word exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a connection is found between these loons and the Indiana Gun Owner's forum."

"Many white supremacy nutcases are also rabidly anti-government and hate police. Plus, recent reports state that these gun-slurping nutjobs covered the dead police officers with Gadsden flags. You know, the yellow ones with the "Don't Tread On Me" snakes that doughboy gun-forum "patriots" like to wave around.


Seeing as they were from Lafayette, I do have to wonder what their screen names were on the Indiana Gun Owners internet forum."

I bet that comment was made by a member here. I'd bet money on it.
Just because someone is a member of the same "club" or likes the same toys doesn't mean they are your friend or share the same rational way of thinking. There's gun rights haters here and there's nut jobs I've seen here. You can't stop that. People make their own choices and to "damn" ingo as a whole for the actions or opinions of some is just ignorance.

 

[Trigger Time]

I guess that depends on where you draw the line between anti-police state, and anti-police. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part but I would hope that even the most vocal anti-police voices here don't actually want anything to do with murdering police, or that it would even be okay with them.

One would hope. Most of the posters that are extreme are nowhere to be found at the social events and shoots. That gives me hope. I have met MANY ingo'ers and I think overall we are a fine group of people who are very diversified but in the end love our country and do respect law enforcement. Remember that we don't always have to agree with or like every policy or procedure, but that DOES NOT make a person anti police!
also INGO is about guns and knives and information. The organization itself is not political.

 

[churchmouse]

I guess that depends on where you draw the line between anti-police state, and anti-police. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part but I would hope that even the most vocal anti-police voices here don't actually want anything to do with murdering police, or that it would even be okay with them.

I hope so as well. There are several that exist only to bash LEO. You rarely see them post in actual conversations about firearms if ever. Makes me my head.

 

[churchmouse]

This may be an isolated incident but there seems to be quite a bit support for the shooters. The only thing keeping them from doing the same thing is their nerve, but that will change. There will be more of these in the future, I guarantee it.

Dead Men Don't Start Revolutions | Christopher Cantwell

Sad to say you may be right.