'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'

[hog slayer]

The way to defeat them is to take away their ability to harm us. To do that they must be killed. Located identified, and killed. We need the ability and the political will to do this.

There's a feeling and emotional part of me that wants to agree with you, but it goes against my humanity. I cannot condone doing to the enemy what the enemy is doing to others and justify it. To consider myself a part off the solution and not the problem requires restraint. Voluntary restraint, but restraint, nonetheless.

I understand your sentiment, I think. I would caution you, though. You'll not be understood with such directness and no filter.

 

[JTScribe]

In all the recent related threads, I hear a lot of, "Muslims are bad", "Islam is bad", etc. Maybe they are. Maybe it is.

What I don't hear is what exactly we should do about it. People with such strong opinions about what the problem is, surely have strong opinions about the solution.

So what are they?

May not necessarily apply here, but it's something.

Katie Hopkins on Theresa May and London terror attack | Daily Mail Online

 

[hog slayer]

May not necessarily apply here, but it's something.

Katie Hopkins on Theresa May and London terror attack | Daily Mail Online

If this is terror losing, I don't think victory matters.

Well said

 

[Denny347]

The way to defeat them is to take away their ability to harm us. To do that they must be killed. Located identified, and killed. We need the ability and the political will to do this.

How do we do that and still maintain adherence to the Constitution? We have more to fear from our own citizens currently.

 

[hog slayer]

Now halal sneaks into our schools dinners | Daily Mail Online

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims

Inside Britain's Sharia courts dispensing 'justice' across the UK | Daily Mail Online

 

[Denny347]

Lots of emotional responses here which is 100% understandable. Some of the suggested solutions to this problem are based of emotion. That's a recipe for bad policy/law.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

No faith involved...come on over, we have doughnuts.

Oh sure there is. Atheists have lots of faith in what they believe in.

 

[Expat]

Oh sure there is. Atheists have lots of faith in what they believe in.

Not to mention they proselytize more than a Jehovah Witness.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

In all the recent related threads, I hear a lot of, "Muslims are bad", "Islam is bad", etc. Maybe they are. Maybe it is.

What I don't hear is what exactly we should do about it. People with such strong opinions about what the problem is, surely have strong opinions about the solution.

So what are they?

Other than cut out the PC crap, nothing much we can do without destroying liberty for everyone. Until islam decides its going to rid itself of this, you're fighting against an idea and an idea is a difficult thing to defeat.

 

[ghuns]

The way to defeat them is to take away their ability to harm us. To do that they must be killed. Located identified, and killed. We need the ability and the political will to do this.

“All we can really do as CIA is create time and space, but if the politicians and the leaders don’t have the courage and the wherewithal to solve some of these problems, how terrorism is created, then you get into this loop where you kill people forever.”

General Michael Hayden

There's a great documentary about this subject; THE SPYMASTERS - CIA IN THE CROSSHAIRS

 

[ghuns]

May not necessarily apply here, but it's something.

Katie Hopkins on Theresa May and London terror attack | Daily Mail Online

Firstly, as Tarique Ghaffur - Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place - proposed last weekend, we need to round up the terror watch list, all 3,000 of them, and intern the lot.


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Sure. That'll work. We know how accurate and reliable such lists are in this country. And when someone not on the list carries out the next attack, who will they lock up?

Pretty sure I've already seen this movie...

[video=youtube;G5cTClTOdrY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5cTClTOdrY&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube .com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DG5cTClTOdrY&has_verified=1[/video]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Edit: This is an unrelated attack in Australia. My bad.

Nocookies | The Australian

Gunman killed by police in Brighton siege was known to counter-terrorism police.

A man said “this is for IS, this is for al-Qa’ida.”

Well there's your problem.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

please, there is the Civil religious thread for Christianity that you should visit. I'll educate you there

I already asked a question in the Islam thread regarding biases w/ regards to religions, but you haven't answered that one. Not that you're required to, it's just a curiosity on what you think about it.

 

[JTScribe]

Sure. That'll work. We know how accurate and reliable such lists are in this country. And when someone not on the list carries out the next attack, who will they lock up?

Pretty sure I've already seen this movie...

[video=youtube;G5cTClTOdrY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5cTClTOdrY&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube .com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DG5cTClTOdrY&has_verified=1[/video]

To be fair, Denzel's FBI guys didn't save the day by playing "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil", either. They got out and did their damn jobs and didn't worry about offending anyone.

I notice how you didn't mention her other proposal about the 600+ people they know have been to Syria or Saudi Arabia. Thoughts, there?

 

[ghuns]

I notice how you didn't mention her other proposal about the 600+ people they know have been to Syria or Saudi Arabia. Thoughts, there?

They certainly deserve a talkin to. There are some legitimate reasons to visit Saudi Arabia. Syria, far less. I have no problem investigating people who demonstrate behavior common to baby terrorist.

I would also have no problem with telling people who want to go to Syria, Afghanistan, etc. that it's a one way trip. Your passport will not get you back in.

 

[hog slayer]

I already asked a question in the Islam thread regarding biases w/ regards to religions, but you haven't answered that one. Not that you're required to, it's just a curiosity on what you think about it.

I'm biased. Sure. Unfortunately we all are. But, are you open to a change of heart? A change of opinion? That's the real question. Can I pass judgment on something that is outside of my beliefs? Absolutely! Can I read? Absolutely! I Can even educate myself. You want to know what a person is about, ask them. Read their brochures. Read their operating manuals. Listen to their leaders.

Put a bit of effort in the educating of yourself and see if you come away without any bias.

Now, I put a lengthy post on the Christian thread to discuss the viability of the claims that the bible is the true word of God. Forget the religious affiliation and see if the requirements needed are sufficient or not. What could be added to make the questions more effective?

 

[hog slayer]

Just how bad is the issue? If left unchecked how far will it spread? What are the potential outcomes (positive and negative) of different degrees of the aforementioned?

 

[JTScribe]

Prime example of how we ain't dealing with Denzel and Tony Shalhoub's kick-ass investigators:

Police uncover YouTube link to London terror attack 

[FONT=&quot]C[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ounter-terrorism officers secretly recorded an alleged Isil-inspired terror cell in Barking last month discussing how to use YouTube to plot a van and knife attack in London, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The investigators were monitoring the alleged extremist cell in the east London borough weeks before Saturday night’s attack in the capital,which left seven dead and 48 injured. The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attack.

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[Trigger Time]

We have a clearly defined enemy. Islam. Time to seperate the threat from our civilized societies. Times of war call for drastic measures. We are overrun. The enemy is among us. Time to fix that.
The president has the power in a time of war in emergencies to suspend the constitution and parts he deems necessary to defend the United States. Time to use those constitutionally granted powers. And it is legal. This would be a legal means to get the job done

 

[ArcadiaGP]

We have a clearly defined enemy. Islam.

Clear as mud.

Time to seperate the threat from our civilized societies. Times of war call for drastic measures. We are overrun. The enemy is among us. Time to fix that.
The president has the power in a time of war in emergencies to suspend the constitution and parts he deems necessary to defend the United States. Time to use those constitutionally granted powers. And it is legal. This would be a legal means to get the job done

I am very, very happy that you are not the President.