Vaccines and stuff: Pt 2

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

My profession is hardly a secret.

I'm guessing that you are a contrarion. Every profession needs these to stay on the level. It is unfortunate that you have garnered just a following here though. I cannot say that it isn't expected. For every few Pastures there is a Walter Freeman.

 

[chipbennett]

Long-term effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against infections, hospitalisations, and mortality in adults: findings from a rapid living systematic evidence synthesis and meta-analysis up to December, 2022

Synthesising evidence on the long-term vaccine effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech], mRNA-1273 [Moderna], ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 [AZD1222; Oxford–AstraZeneca], and Ad26.COV2.S [Janssen]) against infections, hospitalisations, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Did you even bother to read the study before linking it?

Interpretation​

Our analyses indicate that vaccine effectiveness generally decreases over time against SARS-CoV-2 infections, hospitalisations, and mortality. The baseline vaccine effectiveness levels for the omicron variant were notably lower than for other variants. Therefore, other preventive measures (eg, face-mask wearing and physical distancing) might be necessary to manage the pandemic in the long term.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

Did you even bother to read the study before linking it?

And yet it was still effective during its "lifetime" influenza is a moving target. Always has been. Always will be. That proves nothing but what we have always known.

 

[chipbennett]

Oh people still die from the flu. Every year. Also... covid is an influenza.

Influenza (flu) is a respiratory disease caused by an influenza virus variant.

SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory disease caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus and its variants.

The influenza virus and coronavirus are two completely different viruses.

 

[phylodog]

We've got an entire cafeteria shoveling food into a troll's mouth.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Influenza (flu) is a respiratory disease caused by an influenza virus variant.

SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory disease caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus and its variants.

The influenza virus and coronavirus are two completely different viruses.

Yep. Both are respiratory viruses but they’re not the same virus.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

We've got an entire cafeteria shoveling food into a troll's mouth.

I’m not sure he’s a troll. He’s convinced in his ignorance but ignorant people are not necessarily trolls.

 

[chipbennett]

It is not a vaccine in the traditional sense. It is not like that traditional flu shot, it is a twenty year old technology that was not able to come to market because it was not safe, that big pharma rammed through in a period of fear under an emergency order.

The vaccine does not work, studies have shown it, it harms many people, studies have shown it.

The ventilator fiasco was learning on the job, the doctors were doing their best and I’m sorry your family suffered from the ignorance at the time.

I still disagree with this assessment. mRNA is merely a transport system. It is the payload being delivered that determines whether the use is safe and effective.

I've argued all along (same true for the flu) that highly mutating viruses aren't good candidates for vaccine immunization. That doesn't mean that mRNA can't be used safely or effectively for other treatments/vaccinations.

It took 20 years to be used because other modalities were available, cheaper, and already approved; so the financial incentive to get an mRNA treatment to market simply wasn't there.

 

[JCSR]

I’m not sure he’s a troll. He’s convinced in his ignorance but ignorant people are not necessarily trolls.

You are right because I would say ignorant right to your face. That's not trolling.

 

[chipbennett]

That in a nutshell is teaching...passing on knowledge in the physical form. I.e. MRNA (messenger RNA)

No. That's not how it works, at all.

The mRNA provides the cell a one-time-use instruction set for the cell to produce a protein. For the novel coronavirus, that protein is the protein spike on the outer shell of the virus. The cell "learns" nothing, and once the instruction set is used, it is gone, because the cell subsumes the mRNA.

 

[chipbennett]

You guys make sure that in 10 years when the doctor wants to treat your cancer with an MRNA vaccine that you tell them "No I would rather die."

Holy Straw Man, Batman!

 

[chipbennett]

I'm guessing that you are a contrarion. Every profession needs these to stay on the level. It is unfortunate that you have garnered just a following here though. I cannot say that it isn't expected. For every few Pastures there is a Walter Freeman.

 

[chipbennett]

I’m not sure he’s a troll. He’s convinced in his ignorance but ignorant people are not necessarily trolls.

100% he's a True Believer.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

No. That's not how it works, at all.

The mRNA provides the cell a one-time-use instruction set for the cell to produce a protein. For the novel coronavirus, that protein is the protein spike on the outer shell of the virus. The cell "learns" nothing, and once the instruction set is used, it is gone, because the cell subsumes the mRNA.

Long Lasting Cellular Immune Response Induced by mRNA Vaccination: Implication for Prevention Strategies

As the COVID19 pandemic continues to spread and vaccinations are administered throughout the world at different rates and with different strategies, understanding the multiple aspects of the immune response to vaccinations is required to define more efficient ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[oze]

You guys make sure that in 10 years when the doctor wants to treat your cancer with an MRNA vaccine that you tell them "No I would rather die."

In 10 years, after the vaccine has gone through the proper research and trials? I'll consider it. Tomorrow or next year? Nope. Just nope.

 

[phylodog]

I like fairy tales too. Some of my recent favorites:

-Trump colluded with Russia
-Covid came from a panda screwing a bat, not a lab illegally funded by the U.S. Government to develop bioweapons within the borders of our biggest adversary
-This was the most affordable Thanksgiving in history
-The economy is booming
-Hunter's laptop is fake
-The current POTUS isn't a bought and paid for spy on the take from our enemies.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

Long Lasting Cellular Immune Response Induced by mRNA Vaccination: Implication for Prevention Strategies

As the COVID19 pandemic continues to spread and vaccinations are administered throughout the world at different rates and with different strategies, understanding the multiple aspects of the immune response to vaccinations is required to define more efficient ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long lasting is a matter of debate. Efficacy isnt.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Holy Straw Man, Batman!

5 years ago or so, if they announced a mRNA vaccine that would stop cancer probably would have been one of the first ones to line up to take it. See, before 2021, I was pretty trusting of the system that such medications had gone through extensive testing to prove they were actually safe and effective, the side effects well known and researched. After observing what I‘ve observed the last 3 years, only if I were at a late stage cancer progression would I take a chance on something like this.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

I like fairy tales too. Some of my recent favorites:

-Trump colluded with Russia
-Covid came from a panda screwing a bat, not a lab illegally funded by the U.S. Government to develop bioweapons within the borders of our biggest adversary
-This was the most affordable Thanksgiving in history
-The economy is booming
-Hunter's laptop is fake
-The current POTUS isn't a bought and paid for spy on the take from our enemies.

Ugh. A we were having a good debate. Then you just had to go full drool cup over some crap that doesn't mean anything.

 

[phylodog]

Ugh. A we were having a good debate. Then you just had to go full drool cup over some crap that doesn't mean anything.

You're right. Our elected leaders, the scientific community and the media aren't completely full of **** and dispense nothing but the truth. I can see why you refuse to abandon their path. Or maybe they were just full of **** about everything else except the vaccine. Yeah, that's probably it.

You want to push studies and articles to support your side. These is zero credibility there. Your odds of discovering the truth increase exponentially if you believe the opposite of what any of them say. Actual science is allowed to be questioned.