Vaccines and Autism

[BugI02]

Thank you, my friend. I will read up on this.

 

[rhino]

So, when we finally learn that the increase in autism is strongly correlated to something like, oh, say for instance, children being raised in environments with too much sensory input (like loud televisions, video games, etc. being on too much) overloading them, who will we blame?

 

[BugI02]

Rhino?

 

[ATM]

 

[CountryBoy19]

What would be important to me is if any of the researchers on this subject published definitive results that link any vaccine to any disease or malady.

I think we're a LONG way from ever reaching this point... that doesn't automatically discredit research that is being done in this area. Often times YEARS of research costing FORTUNES is necessary before large, definitive break-throughs are made. We can't expect this to happen tomorrow; it may not happen within my lifetime even...

It may be an impossible task (if autism is microbe related) to ever truly determine what is causal and what combination of factors are necessary for the syndrome to be active.

Exactly what I was alluding to earlier when I was talking about keeping an open-mind. It's probably impossible to determine what exactly the cause is, and it's likewise difficult to rule out many things as a causal factor.

Then again, it may be DNA or RNA based. We haven't truly penetrated genetics or epigenetics to any significant degree. And much of the junk DNA has been set aside for the time being to study active genes. Who knows what will ultimately be found in my great grandchildren's children's generation. I certainly don't think there will be current discoveries.

I think there will be "current discoveries"; current discoveries are made every day. But most of them are small, trickle-down type of discoveries. It's not very common for large break-throughs to happen. Small things happen a little at a time and it trickles down to more research and testing etc, creating a continually revolving system of small discoveries, and eventually the big break-through may come as a result.

I only wish that those who foster false hopes would stop their ranting and move toward actions that would help cure the syndrome.

What actions would help cure the syndrome?

IMHO, keeping an open mind about possibilities is one them. This thread certainly did not start out that way. People immediately started taking a dump on the OP and the scientist in the interview before they even knew all the facts. I think both sides are equally guilty of ranting and spouting off things that may not actually be true.

So who is right and who is wrong? IMHO, we don't even know what is right and wrong, we only know what the data shows us and we can only draw conclusions from that. Our conclusions may be wrong and we don't even know it yet...

 

[hoosierdaddy1976]

Didn't try to find the actual journal article, but sounds promising.

UNC scientists pinpoint how a single genetic mutation increases autism risk ? News Room - UNC Health Care

 

[rhino]

Didn't try to find the actual journal article, but sounds promising.

UNC scientists pinpoint how a single genetic mutation increases autism risk ? News Room - UNC Health Care

A strong genetic factor in these outcomes agrees with my intuition. I submit that in previous generations, children with defects of all sorts (e.g. peanut allergies) were less likely to survive and ultimately integrate into adult society long enough to successfully reproduce.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552

 

[HoughMade]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552

 

[hoosierdaddy1976]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552

thanks for the link. Some of those responses were great.

 

[steveh_131]

His statement is technically true. It has happened. NVIC has paid out $3 Billion of your tax dollars to victims of vaccine damage over the years. Some of them are autism cases.

But the facts are irrelevant. Now is the time to use profanity on the vaccine heretic, because science.

 

[JettaKnight]

His statement is technically true. It has happened. NVIC has paid out $3 Billion of your tax dollars to victims of vaccine damage over the years. Some of them are autism cases.

But the facts are irrelevant. Now is the time to use profanity on the vaccine heretic, because science.

So, should we stop spending that money?

It's money well spent, IMHO. Like about everything in medicine, there are some side effects in a very small amount of the population. Are you suggesting that we not help those who've been hurt from vaccinations?


The amount we'd have to pay in healthcare, combined with lost wages, reduced population would absolutely dwarf $3B if we did not vaccinate.

 

[steveh_131]

So, should we stop spending that money?

Yes, we should stop spending that money and pharmaceutical companies should be liable for the safety of their own products. Like, you know, every other industry out there including other pharmaceuticals.

The amount we'd have to pay in healthcare, combined with lost wages, reduced population would absolutely dwarf $3B if we did not vaccinate.

Eh, more fear-mongering. None of this is prove-able.

 

[halfmileharry]

I guess it's just normal to place a dollar value on a human life. We really have evolved as a society.
I wonder what that $3B cost will be in a few years. Since we're talking percentages and numbers here.
You have to remember that Autism is increasing so you'll have to adjust the numbers as the number of damaged children increases.

 

[JettaKnight]

I guess it's just normal to place a dollar value on a human life. We really have evolved as a society.
I wonder what that $3B cost will be in a few years. Since we're talking percentages and numbers here.
You have to remember that Autism is increasing so you'll have to adjust the numbers as the number of damaged children increases.

The $3B is for side effects from the vaccine, ergo, autism has no bearing on it.



The $3B comes from a fund instead of directly from pharm co's because,
(A) Pharm co's are businesses, therefore they have a due diligence to fight such lawsuits and/or drag it out.
(B) Keeping vac's going is a public good.

 

[steveh_131]

The $3B comes from a fund instead of directly from pharm co's because,
(A) Pharm co's are businesses, therefore they have a due diligence to fight such lawsuits and/or drag it out.
(B) Keeping vac's going is a public good.

By what logic is subsidizing pharmaceutical companies a 'public good'?

 

[JettaKnight]

By what logic is subsidizing pharmaceutical companies a 'public good'?

Paying off a small number of medical complaints is not subsidizing.


The extension of your logic is the FDA is actively block drugs by requiring medical testing.

 

[steveh_131]

Paying off a small number of medical complaints is not subsidizing.

I think you need to read up more on this nonsense. Pharmaceutical companies are shielded from all legal liability for vaccines. A lawsuit that could reach levels of millions of dollars gets squashed down to a pittance by a government agency. $3 Billion is nothing compared to what juries probably would have awarded these victims in a real court in a pursuit of actual justice.

Liability matters. I thought we believed in Personal Responsibility here on INGO. Do you? What happens when you remove that responsibility from someone? Have you found that their behavior improves or declines?

The extension of your logic is the FDA is actively block drugs by requiring medical testing.

The extension of your logic is the Federal government providing nutritious food, sanitation, and free medical care to the entire nation to prevent the spread of diseases. That's the point, right? A public good? Nutrition and sanitation are just as important, if not more important than vaccines in halting the spread of disease. Should the government shield produce distributors from legal liability when they sell tainted fruit? Should they shield health care providers from legal liability when they negligently kill a patient?

Even conservatives transform into socialists as soon as we start discussing vaccines.

 

[rambone]

Paying off a small number of medical complaints is not subsidizing.

....

Vaccines are heavily subsidized by the government... WAY above and beyond compensating vaccine victims.

Links to government subsidized vaccines

The feds fund the development of new vaccines through grant giveaway programs.

The government runs an entire website devoted to advertising corporate products: vaccines.gov

And then there's huge subsidy programs like Medicare and Obamacare.

This market is monopolistic and ultra-subsidized. It is the ultimate abomination to a free market system.

 

[mbills2223]

Heh